No man, it's really not "basic psychology". My evaluations of the players aren't that serious. There will always be players on this team that I think are good, and players I think aren't good. There will be players who I want traded. And if I end up being wrong, and that player (or those players) lead us to championship I'll enjoy it just as much as any other championship. It ultimately does not matter what I think of the players, and it has 0 impact on my enjoyment of the team.
Well, if it’s B, it has crossed way over into boiling rabbit’s territory. I come to the board to have reasonable discussions. I am excited about the Rocket’s future, but this board is unreadable right now.
Why do you think I'm directing my claim that there will be people who will enjoy the Rockets winning deep playoff games less if Jalen is a part of it relative to if he's not? I never saw you recently hate on any of the young core to be seen as one of those people who relentlessly attacks one of the young guys to the point where it's hard to imagine any scenario where they'd enjoy a Rockets franchise with Jalen being a long term part of it even if it leads to team success. Criticism is criticism. There are many I disagree with on Green's evaluation like Nook but it's measured criticism and I can tell he genuinely hopes Green does well. In summary: there is a level of time dedication and referring to Green as trash a bust to a relentless level where it's safe to assume they are praying Green doesn't prove them wrong. These posters exist and I'm sure you can at least acknowledge some of these people. Like there are obvious ones like Bobby
Maybe improve your literacy skills if it's unreadable. Or put me on ignore but I don't know how that is going to improve your literacy skills.
I don’t know you at all. You obviously don’t know me either. Literacy is not my problem. You are so blinded by your Jalen standom that you are completely oblivious to the person you have become on this board.
Are you sure literacy is not your problem when you are b****ing about something being unreadable? It's the middle of July on a NBA team fan message board. What thought provoking content about Rockets basketball are you seeking my dude? If you want to moralize about what people have become on a NBA team message board, go to the D&D section and see people spending 6 hours a day spamming anti-muslim, anti-lgbtq, anti-migrant content between the same 3 or so posters on a NBA team fan message board. That seems like a more worthwhile endeavor for your talents in telling people "what they've become". Now please do yourself a service if you hate my posts so much with the ignore feature.
I understand the message board dynamics. I am obviously not “your dude.” You were a reasonable person on this board until this summer. You used to take the high road and keep things positive. I guess @Bobbythegreat got under your skin. Now, you just come back with ad hominem any time you get called out…
Getting called out? As in an ad hominem? Is that a flaw in self awareness on your part? This was about Rocket players before you came in b****ing about your literacy issues. And now it's a poo flinging contest.
What you say might be true for a few people. But the vast majority of posters here are Rockets fans. They will certainly root for Jalen if he is good. Example: Chris Paul. You have been here long enough to have seen this. I'd say the majority of people hated or disliked him before he became a Rocket. He was viewed as a dirty player, choker, etc. But when he joined the Rockets, most fans rooted for him. If Steph Curry joined the Rockets tomorrow and played like his peak form, I'm pretty sure people here would forget about all the nasty things they said about him and root for him enthusiastically. That's the nature of fandom of a team, not of a player.
Lol no one complained about their abilities. They were rivals. This is about people investing multiple years trashing a player we drafted. A lot of posters here pride themselves in being accurate predictions. There have been multiple posters who've offered bets on Jalen failing and at the same time claiming they hope he succeeds Trust me when I say this. A lot of the posters who are aggressive in their anti-jalen rhetoric are praying he doesn't succeed because they don't want to be seen as someone who dedicated so much time not only trashing one of our own guys but being so wrong about it.
Yes, these posters exist, but my point is that it ultimately doesn't matter. To use the same example from the last time we discussed this, I wrote essays about how much I didn't like Westbrook as a player back when he was on the thunder. I said he would never win anything. I was a card carrying member of the Westbrook Haters Association. I was pissed when he was traded to the rockets, I didn't want him, and I thought it put a nail in the coffin of our championship window. And I wrote long posts about that too when he was on the team, I trashed him. People back then called me a relentless hater, because I was a hater. They were right. But if that Harden/Westbrook rockets team got a ring that year, I wouldn't have liked it any less because of my opinions on Westbrook. The idea that it would make me enjoy it less is a very foreign concept. Player evals and fan enjoyment are not connected in any way, they are totally independent for me. And I am pretty confident in saying this is true for most fans. And I think the same applies to any player, in this case, Jalen Green. I believe Bobby when he says he'll be happy that Jalen Green is a superstar because I think this is default fan behavior and true for 99% of people who root for a team.
I'm sorry I just don't buy it. Especially from the many posters who are offering bets for him to fail. Bobby will post a lot less on this message board if Green gets a max extension and the Rockets are making deep playoff runs relative to how often he posted during the past few years of this team being bad. There will be multiple posters like this who will avoid clutch fans. Maybe they will enjoy their fandom in real life and that's fine but trust me there will be posters who will refrain from posting as much here if Green succeeds.
I hope you are aware that all this is you projecting onto others how you felt about Harden and the Rockets. Your experience with your feelings towards Harden is why you can describe the above so intimately. And there is nothing wrong with that. But, not everyone experiences sports that way. Don’t feel like you have ppl pegged. You don’t. You’re only describing yourself. that said, I do agree BTG is just like you … the way you experienced Harden and the Rockets will happen to him, too, pretty much exactly as how you describe yourself above.
I want you to do a little scavenger hunt. Find all posts I have desiring a Harden trade or calling him trash. My criticism was always towards the philosophy of a heliocentric offense and the fact that when it doesn't work you have a bunch of players on the roster who aren't used to doing anything else besides stand still and shoot or catch lobs and sometimes deep in the playoffs you need other guys to step up and do more than just that on offense and they physically can't because they haven't been used to it for an entire season playing with the system. Also unlike the people I'm referring to in regard to Green, I doubt they defend Green like I did Harden with any group outside of this forum in a vigorous manner. You want me to show you my debates with redditors who hated Harden? I was trying to sell these people that he's better than Steph Curry in terms of carrying mediocre teams so no it isn't anywhere close to the same situation. I don't these people are going around Twitter or reddit defending any negative takes on Green. Anyways that comparison to btg hurt. You got me there. I'll try to do better. Btg is disgusting to me far beyond his opinions on Green similar to ATW(spamming content on a basketball message board targeting hate towards minority groups). They just have **** opinions on life in general
I'm not sure that's the case, he's been pretending to ignore me for years now, I think the issue is that he's at the end of the line. He has the kind of emotional bond with Jalen Green, a player who doesn't know he exists, that a normal person would have with one of their children and he knows all the excuses won't work anymore.... his guy either needs to finally step up and perform, or he's gone. When you realize that's whet he's coming from, the desperation, fear, and lashing out are understandable.... but someone that invested in parasocial relationships really should seek professional help.
I personally would not root for the rockets or watch a game while draymond was on the team. It was the same for me when derek fisher got traded here, though he ended up never paying. There are certain lines you cannot cross as a human being, and if you root for draymond, you are trash.
To me, the hardest it's ever been to root for the Rockets is when they picked up Westbrook and when they got Josh Smith followed by the disaster that was the Scottie Pippen experiment. I thought it was going to be difficult to support Austin Rivers and CP3, but it wasn't.
