You are for once correct. Libertarians do believe in a hierarchy system of haves and have nots and that there will always be a natural poor class and there shouldn't be any state intervention to help the poor outside of creating a "business friendly environment" because the poor need to be employed rather than live subsistence lives.
American libertarianism is knee deep in culture wars also. It's rooted in the idea that "freedom" as a concept has more to do with the freedom to exploit humans than some grand concept of individual liberty. The thought leaders would wax lyrical about it because they need to sell these ideas to the masses.
The wealthy use more government resources than the poor. For the wealthy who make their wealth, their capital investments are purely dependent on a tax payer paid system that creates a nationwide infrastructure to generate revenue from a business in a safe structured environment. And the people who are these investors aren't the innovators or intellectually curious class of humans. It's the landed gentry types. The types who's period where they are supposed to be intellectually curious in college became fail sons who used their time in college to ****, party and network because honestly those are the most important skills you need to fail upward into being a venture capitalist. They are generating wealth off a well oiled system that can function fine even if they magically all disappeared in a day. Now the actual workers, engineers, IT guys, laborers etc. If they disappeared overnight society would collapse. Says a lot about the capital class where if they all disappeared society would still function.
As a percentage of their contributions, they use far less. The wealthy are net contributors. The poor are net recipients. They fund a system where everyone is able to operate safely, yes. Yes, we understand you are a communist.
The wealthy are net leechers. Without the class of humans who's only profession in their entire lives was investments, society would function perfectly fine. Remove majority of ceos especially the celebrity types like Elon, society still excels. Entities like Twitter can move on from Elon because Elon contributes zero technical knowledge to its endeavor. The IT workers, engineers at Twitter disappearing would end it. These people leech, extract as much wealth as possible with as little return as possible til society's breaking point which we have seen in cycles. Events like the French Revolution are cyclical.
So ya the people who decide how to fund the system over time in this modern economic system of instant trading are eventually just all going to be a landed gentry class of humans who's sole existence is just being born into capital and expanding their capital through investments. So it always eventually comes down to a class of dumbass frat type fucck boys running things.
Thank you. It never was real. When you read about how fake the concepts of "freedom" were from the idols of libertarianism like Thomas Jefferson you understand its roots have always been based on a class of land owners who just want to be left alone and exploit the humans within their domain and ownership. That has always been the root of libertarianism. All of Thomas Jefferson's French buddies looked at him funny when he was singing about the concepts of freedom and liberty.
Every libertarian I talk to talks about things like the non-aggression principle, freedom to contract, freedom a association, and voluntary transactions. I don't know what libertarians you are talking about, but as a group we don't really go in for exploitation. It is the major parties that want to say you must do X, the maximum amount you can charge for product or service Y is Z, etc. You have a real 1984 view of freedom.
Hahaha … voluntary transactions. Like as if it’s “voluntary” for people to pay for water, or gas, or bread. Libertarianism is a fantasy. A lie. You cannot have a free market without rules and some sort of referee that represents the interests of the majority. Plus in 2024 we all know it’s just another pro Trump faction. You guys that call yourselves Libertarian in 2024 are really just trying everything you can to excuse the way you are likely to vote in a few months. Maybe back in the Ron Paul days our democracy was healthy enough to entertain a true believer. Especially given the NAFTA debate with Bush and later Clinton who signed the Bush policy into law. But now Libertarian is just a cowardly label for just another Trump supporter.
It is in fact voluntary for party A to give their water or gas or bread to party B in exchange for money or in trade. The opposite is being forced to give your water/gas/bread to someone either for nothing or for some amount to which you did not agree. Almost every transaction you participate in is voluntary. You chose to go to gas station X and pay the posted price for whichever grade of fuel you want instead of going to gas station Y and buying from them. The owner of gas station X cannot force you to buy gas from him. There is certainly an involuntary element to it, and that is the taxation of the transaction. Of course you can. It happens literally all the time. Have you ever sold something to a friend or acquaintance? Bought something at a garage sale? Paid someone for a ride or to help you with a project? There was no one there to enforce any rules on you, you just agreed to a price for a good or service and made the exchange. I'll be voting for Chase Oliver, just as I have voted for the Libertarian Party candidate in the last two elections, no matter how many weird fantasies the lefties on here want to make up about me.
