Yeah this is exactly why i wrote my post. I assumed you were the type of guy that would say something like "hey, he scored a lot of points so he hasn't been bad just below expectations!!" You also do the common troupe of excuses. Only 19! Team is trash! Making excuses is the first sign of an emotional based useless argument. He's been awful and way below expectations. Which isn't the same thing as saying he will always be awful and below expectations. He could come out next year and be an all star, it won't change what he's been to date. Moreover, that you clearly disagree with that opinion and use excuses to try and justify said belief, in no way means that those that think he's been awful and way below expectations are haters. That's a baseless claim, evidenced by nothing. Granted, I haven't evidenced myself in this thread why I opine his awfulness to date. I could, but I won't. There's plenty of data out there to evidence it, plus eye test, game tape, etc. I can just tell you outright, i believe JG has been awful and way below expectations... and I DON'T hate him. I don't have an intense dislike of Jalen Green, lol. I don't criticize his game in an effort to make him look bad or feel bad. Franky, I don't really gaf about him. I SOLELY AND ONLY care that he doesn't suck and plays better. The end. If he does play better and heck even plays incredible and at a consistent MVP level and he becomes my "favorite" (I use quotes cause i don't really play favorites, i just like players who perform) player, that won't make me a flip-flopper or hypocrite either, it will just be me saying the obvious - he sucked, now he's great. If I was a big JG fan, or "stan", as some are, and I was trying to be intellectually honest, I'd "battle" critcism simply by saying "hey, you're right, he's been really bad for the most part and way below expectations. At the same time, the potential talent there is still immense. Look at his March. Look at when he's good and his shot is on. Look how he improved defensively and rebounding. If he can put it all together, he shoots way up the board of best players, and I believe he will get there!!!" Not complicated.
Reread your post and express to me the actual basketball analysis you provided. I think your issue is you expect every high draft pick to have all of these traits right of the gate 1.high volume 2. Good efficiency 3. Already contributes to winning ball and being a high usage player on a ~.500 team. That is a failure on your part with unified expectations for a young guard asked to self create right of the gate. It's funny. I said Jalen Green is on all time lists for scoring average for NBA players 22 and under and I still said he's been slightly disappointing mainly because of lack of scoring efficiency progression. It's funny how you take that as me thinking that being on those lists is the be all end all when I literally am saying he's on all time lists for pretty important stats like scoring average for his age and still disappointing. But you have to say he's trash. That is on you to not have the ability to have measured criticism.
One more thing. Your words about not hating someone is irrelevant. Your actions, relentlessness, inability for measured criticism makes you a hater. Hater swill always say they don't hate them, they are just disappointed. That's very common so I'm sorry your words of "I'm not a hater" mean nothing. Those are very easy words to type.
Riddle me this: If Jalen plays next year like he has any of the previous 3 seasons will he be on this team long term and will we get any meaningful value in return for him?
No. You seem like you would be surprised at my actual assessment of Jalen. You just have an absurd amount of hate for him. And he would be traded because it would be his contract year and he didn't live up to expectations for a max. The only way he stays if he is worthy of a max by the end of the season. So even then, not being worthy of a max isn't trash. It's disappointing. Again you lack the ability for measured criticism.
Ya i think there's a good chance. People don't like admitting mistakes. Why did kpj get extended? He was considerably worse than green has been, so i think there's a good chance green gets extended regardless of his performance.
Oh gotcha he would be traded. So it’s trade deadline he’s putting in another season like the last 3, what do you think they get back?
On a scale of 1-10, relative to draft position, how would you rate Jalen’s first 3 years. Where say Luka is a 10, Ant is a 9, Bennett is a 1, Wiseman is a 2….? same for Alpi?
He was worse than jalen in each of their 1st 3 seasons. I dont care what people called him, doesn't make it true. My point is that stone made a mistake with the kpj trade and even with all of the data still extended him. I don't see why green, who has been awful (but better than kpj) would be any different.
For a 2nd overall pick i'd say jalen is a 2, though you can argue you would rather have someone like bennett where you can cut your losses quicker. Sengun for a 16 pick is the best player drafted there in the last 25 years (maybe 2nd best behind artest) so i guess by that scale he's a 10?
I disagree considering KPJ was a better ball handler, assist man and defender. I especially disagree if you factor in KPJ year 4. One could argue they Jalen might get better year 4, too. Indeed! But I’m just arguing what he’s been to date. And using the hypothetical that he doesn’t get better.
Ya we'll see, i still believe in the talent and think there's a non zero chance he puts it together. It's not likely, but i wanna see one more year
