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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Sheppard fits really well with Green in the future - assuming he’s eventually a better 3PT shooter than FVV. He’s definitely going to finish and run better. Hopefully will become a good positional defender. I think we probably see FVV/Green most of the time this coming season.

    Whitmore is going to have a big scoring season but he still seems to get lost on defense. He’s making a conscious effort to pass the ball more and that will get more natural. He’s very lucky to have run into Udoka for development. Not worried about Cam, he’s going to be a star too.
     
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  2. Dobbizzle

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    Yeah, it's actually hilarious how much people think Reed's replacing Green when Green isn't the PG. I think they're actually a good pairing, Green can drive (which he's so far above and beyond Reed at) and dish to Reed (who is so far above and beyond Jalen at hitting the 3's) when the lane closes on him. I'd be more worried about the "guard" with no shooting period than the one with several 40pt games on over 40% from deep (though he'll likely just not be a guard in truth, hopefully they learned from the KPJ disaster - and Reed doesn't seem to need to learn the PG position, he's there.)
     
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  3. Bo6

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    Really excited to see a Reed/Jalen/Cam/Tari/Adams lineup.

    Jalen PnR with Adams to kick out to both Reed/Cam with Tari crashing the glass... That offensive rating will be nutty.
     
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  4. TEXNIFICENT

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    We’re deep at the wing though, especially with Whitmore developing, Jalen might want to take the next step and be consistent all year or he could be expendable.
     
  5. Dobbizzle

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    I don't think that'll be a problem. We have far more evidence that Jalen's able to step up to superstar level than any of our other players have in transcending their weaknesses, by a HUGE margin.
     
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    Look at the analytics thread that expresses which play type and frequency of play type each player suffered and excelled in.

    Green had a high volume of pnr primary ball handling duties and was well above average in league wide percentile at that play.

    When you say "we have a lot of wings" are those wings capable of fulfilling Green's role as a high volume primary pnr ball handler on decent efficiency(well above league average)?

    Cam to me hasn't show the ability to create offense as the primary ball handler against set half court defenses specifically catered towards defending the primary.ball handler.

    He excels at attacking closeouts, catching and shooting and in transition. But is weak as the primary ball handler going against set half court defenses.

    You are right that we are deep at the wing position. But the wing position isn't really known for primary ball handling duties orchestrating a pnr offense.
     
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  7. Dobbizzle

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    "We're deep at the wings" is a very slick way of reframing "we have a lot of small forwards" to make it look like Jalen's in the hot seat. In truth, the only place I've seen "Jalen in the hotseat" is on CF. Everywhere else doesn't remotely seem to see him as a bust, a likely trade piece or one of our lesser players (in fact, along with Sengun, most non-Rockets fans I know would consider him one of our biggest prospects, and barely know who Tari/Cam/Amen are - a lot were Bari fans coming into the draft.)
     
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  8. jim1961

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    About 20-25% of last season that was true. The rest of the time, it wasn't.
     
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  9. Dobbizzle

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    Nope, it's 100% true. Do the totals:

    How many 30pt games on over 50% fg% and 40% 3p % does Jalen Green have?
    How many games has Sengun been a dominant rim protector and lights out shooter?
    How many games has Amen Thompson had a jump shot?
    How many games has Tari Eason not missed several layups?
    How many games has Jabari Smith been a force inside?
    How many games has Cam Whitmore been a playmaker, or in fact done anything other than be a better scoring Josh Christopher?

    This is the thing, Jalen in just that run at the end of last season has given us more evidence that he can overcome his weaknesses than the rest of them, it gets ridiculous when you add in his first 2 seasons...
     
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    More like 9.7%
     
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    This is how you know someone has no idea what they're talking about and is just saying stuff to see what sticks.
     
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    If in the first couple of months of the season Green's looking like he needs to be traded, I'd ship him out east to:

    Toronto for Jakob Poeltl
    Detroit for Ausar Thompson
    Orlando for Jalen Suggs
     
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    Ausar Thompson?! 8.8ppg in 25 mins with (much like his brother) 18% shooting from 3? That's your saviour? o_O You do realise that even at his very worst, Jalen's never been as bad as Ausar Thompson, right?
     
  14. TEXNIFICENT

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    So, are you maxing him out?
     
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    So, are you maxing him out?
     
  16. Dobbizzle

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    Depends how the season goes, anybody who maxes either Sengun or Jalen at this point would be an idiot because of the cap considerations. However, I'd be way more inclined to max him than anybody else on the roster, nobody else has come close to his level of star performances, like at all. Or shown anywhere near as much evidence that their weakness can be overcome. Jalen's inconsistent, sure, but he's actually HAD superstar performances at least, and incredibly efficient shooting performances. Amen's never had a jump shot. Sengun's never had a game as a dominant rim protector or a sharpshooter from deep, Jabari's never shown he can bang inside or take it to the hole well, Tari's never shown he can consistently make open layups. I'm not even bringing Cam into it, because LOL.
     
  17. Tom Bombadillo

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    Jalen Green in April
    • 8 games started
    • 38-29-88 splits
    • 4.4 Assists w/ 3.3 turnovers
    • 5.4 Rebounds
    These numbers fall in line with October, November, December, January and February. What happened?

    Amen Thompson in April
    • 7 games started
    • 60-0-71 splits
    • 4.6 Assists w/1.7 turnovers o_O (This is the guy you give the ball to, period)
    • 8.6 Rebounds
     
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  18. Tom Bombadillo

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    Jalen has never been as bad on offense.

    Ausar has never been as bad on defense.
     
  19. Verbal Christ

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    LOL
     
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  20. Dobbizzle

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    We have a top 10 defense with Jalen, with Ausar we'd be the #30 offense.
     

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