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[WSJ] The Stunning Reversal of Trump’s Legal Fortunes

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    The Stunning Reversal of Trump’s Legal Fortunes
    How 91 counts that seemed poised to end his campaign instead made it stronger than ever

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/electi...fk8gp97z77f&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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    A year ago, the legal system seemed to be closing in on Donald Trump.

    Prosecutors painted a sweeping portrait of a president who allegedly tried to overturn the results of an election he knew he lost, hung on to classified documents he knew he should return and secretly paid off a p*rn star to keep quiet about an affair he knew voters would care about. No one in America, prosecutors said, not even a former president, is above the law.

    Instead, the four different cases against him have both boosted his third bid for the White House—and paved the way for him to enjoy an unprecedented level of authority if he gets there.

    While a Manhattan jury in May found Trump guilty on 34 counts in the hush-money case, jailtime seems unlikely. His other cases have been delayed and likely curtailed in court. Instead of turning off voters with their detailed descriptions of misconduct, the prosecutions rallied supporters to his side.

    The Supreme Court’s decision this week to effectively shield Trump from prosecution for many acts he took as president has cast into sharper focus a question that has haunted criminal investigations of the former president from the start: If the point of prosecution is to hold someone accountable for wrongdoing and punish them within the judicial system, what happens if that prosecution ends up being a political gift?

    “Swimming in these waters comes with a price,” said Gregg Sofer, a longtime former federal prosecutor who was the U.S. attorney in San Antonio during the Trump administration, adding that the disparate local and federal cases had the effect of looking like a pile-on. “You do see some erosion of the credibility of the Department of Justice with the half of the population that disagrees with you.”

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    Appeared in the July 6, 2024, print edition as 'Trump Prosecutions Have Been Political Gift'.
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    I imagine, to most people, at a minimum, the Alvin Bragg case and Letitia James case appear as politically motivated cases of lawfare.

    Don’t think that’s a great idea. Doesn’t appear to be resonating or weakening Trump.

    It appears he’s doing better than ever politically, and that won’t only be because of his rabid maga fan base.
     
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    Donald Trump and the Clouseau Democrats
    An elite that can be so readily and repeatedly outsmarted is an elite that needs replacing.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald...8qu4k6kzuu3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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    Once again, everything is coming up roses for presidential candidate Donald Trump. It usually has for a candidate whose stock in trade is contempt for the existing political class, which the political class needlessly keeps going out of its way to justify.

    We’ll get to the obvious latest example, but let’s marvel at what we’ve witnessed over the past eight years.

    Hillary Clinton exuded unnecessary contempt for Mr. Trump’s voters, 77,000 of whom supplied her margin of defeat in the 2016 Electoral College. James Comey and his confreres at the FBI knew Mr. Trump couldn’t be president. They bent their own rules and procedures to clear Mrs. Clinton’s path through the email minefield and likely bumblingly assured Mr. Trump’s election.

    The most colossal miscalculation, though, was Democrats doubling down on Russia collusion to explain away their defeat, prompting a slow, three-year unraveling of a hoax that showed Democrats fabricating evidence and the FBI trafficking in it.

    Mr. Trump, a walking machine for giving offense to large segments of the electorate, could fairly claim he withstood the most scurrilous conspiracy against an incoming president since Lincoln. The collusion hoax joined the list of things the mainstream press has to lie about in the hearing of the ever-swelling ranks of Americans who decide Mr. Trump can’t be all bad if these are his enemies.

    The 2020 election would be a close call for the Clouseau Democrats—44,000 votes in three states would have changed the outcome despite a giant assist to Democrats from Covid. But finally smooth sailing beckoned. Mr. Trump added to his own terminal baggage with his “stop the steal” hoax, fatally embellishing his reasonable gripes about the 2020 election with claims of massive voter fraud for which no evidence existed.

    Yet the seemingly safe assumption that Mr. Trump was now finished would fail to reckon with his enemies’ capacity for self harm. First they resurrected him among GOP voters with overtly partisan indictments in Democratic jurisdictions. Then they renominated Joe Biden even as a majority of his own voters complained he was too old, amid a failing effort of his aides to conceal the extent of his decline.

    Even this understates the degree of malpractice. Mr. Biden apparently wants to make his party fight, perhaps all the way through Election Day, over how bad his condition is. Is he senile or not? Is he up to the job or not? And that’s just week one. In weeks two, three and four come the intraparty recriminations about who kept Joe’s condition from whom, whether his family is too attached to the perks of office, who should get the shiv if Mr. Trump wins in November.

    The Trumpians, who would have been counted out little more than two years ago, discover now they only have to shut up while Democrats manufacture round-the-clock free TV ads for the Trump campaign, arguing over whether their own candidate is fit for office.
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    Trump should be in prison for the docs case for years, and at least for some counts on the Jack Smith case (some counts were overcharged). The NY case is arguably unconstitutional. The Georgia case is complicated.

    Biden should also be in prison for the docs case, but with a lower sentence than Trump because he returned the docs. Congressional members from both parties embarrassed themselves in the Hur dressing down and showed the worst of politics and made a strong case for "Congress is broken, so throw it the Constitution." Depressing.

    Back to the point. Trump's freedom always hinged on his reelection. The NY case is not going to put him in prison, even though some legal experts have been infected with Trump delirium and think he'll be locked up. Georgia is real case in theory, but the DA couldn't resist crapping where she eats.

    So, I don't think anything has dramatically changed. The NY stuff was always going to be partisan PR imo. The fed stuff might also have a lot of partisan PR effects, but have serious teeth and will justifiably send him to prison, unless he wins.
     
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    the two trials so far were the least important in terms of crimes he committed against the country. im much more concerned about the others...

    he is on recording pressuring the secretary of state to "find" 11,780 votes. then telling the secretary of state that if he doesnt do trumps bidding he is committing a crime. im not even sure what there is to debate there. he is guilty of trying to commit election fraud and its all on recording. right wingers are obsessed with rooting out election fraud, but then support trump...it makes zero sense.

    his actions leading up to and on january 6th should at a minimum have him in prison for the rest of his life. he got a few of his own supporters killed that day and also hundreds of cops injured and a few of them dead too. he initially said the insurrectionists were criminals who should be held accountable and now he (and many here) say they are hostages who he promises to pardon.

    the stolen documents case is also clear-cut. he took documents, refused to return them and tried to hide them. that is far beyond what sleepy joe did.
     
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    Half the oped is about the Scrote bailing him out sooner than later.

    We have endemic corruption largely made unenforceable by judicial, where their response is for legislative to check themselves and the president for unofficial acts with judicial calling balls and strikes.

    Applying the op-ed's logic, a vigiliant legislative that would want to impeach or hold the president accountable "comes with a price."
     
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