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"The Goal Is to Grow It Organically if We Can"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tom Bombadillo, Jul 3, 2024.

  1. fchowd0311

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    I mean I bought in to Sengun being one of the core building blocks for the future of this franchise and a significant part of a offensive system. I just think Green has a higher ceiling but has a lower floor than Sengun due to his inconsistency.

    His consistency is still a huge concern and I'm hoping for last season it was a product of having to put effort on both sides of the court starting 82 games exhausting his legs to shoot consistency. So hopefully he got a year of conditioning playing with that energy level to where now he can start being consistent.

    If he can turn his 5 for 15 stinker nights that happened like once to twice a week to once a every few weeks he'll be fine and be an obvious star.
     
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  2. conquistador#11

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    That's how it should be but most teams don't strike gold with their picks like we have. I didn't think Ime would have the patience for it so I'm pleasantly surprised.
    For Boston it was that 2014 transitioning to 2015 season, during Smart's rookie yea.r that they began to ascend and adding their heisted picks each season. Brown was putting up Jalen Green numbers at age 23 so they didn't know if they were superstars or not either.

    The Warriors. Clearly remember the Garm threads poking fun at Steph's ankles being tripped by three point line lol. They drafted a bust with their 6th pick, followed it up with Klay the following season. They finished with less than 30 wins.
    Added Barnes the following year and found some twat end of the bench mo fo that tried to instigate a fight with Rockets in the final minutes of a late January game. Warriors also didn't know if Steph was going to be that guy after the ankle injuries.
     
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  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Obviously if you can trade two of our guys for an SGA, you do it. That’s not going to happen though, those type of players are rarely ever available in or before their prime.

    What we’re talking about is the slippery slope of then wanting to consolidate our youth for a Donovan Mitchell or Lauri Markkanen instead. There’s no point doing that. Imagine if OKC had acquired such a player, taking the ball out of Williams’ hands a lot. We’d never even know Williams is as good as he is.

    We should follow the OKC model. Keep chugging along with good development culture and dump your worst picks for solid role players on good contracts that fit championship needs. Dump them only if you’re imminently going to have to pay them a lot and don’t whine about how your top 10 pick could “only” net an Alex Caruso.

    Green, Sengun, Tari and Bari are all going to be at least as valuable as Giddey even if they’re close to being a restricted FA. Just stay the course. We don’t need to hit home runs on trades to build a championship core. We just need 2-3 out of our 7 to be worth the max in this era. If we do that, it won’t matter if we got an extra pick when dumping our 6th or 7th best player. We control our own destiny if we develop them well.
     
  4. Dobbizzle

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    I only bought one jersey Green and Sengun's rookie season - #28. That's the bit people like to gloss over, I'm a Sengun fan and have been since day one. I just also happen to think Green has more potential to be a superstar player, by far and it's not close. Sengun's floor is infinitely higher than Green's but his ceiling doesn't come close either.
     
  5. topfive

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    As I've been saying for a while, give the current roster one more year with Udoka to see who's going to step up. Then next summer, trade anyone who fails that test and bring in a young-ish, top-tier FA. But this summer isn't the time to make a big move unless something really special fell in our laps, and that didn't happen.

    Bringing in a fading star FA like KD, PG, Harden, or even an over-30 guy would just be an impatient move likely to screw up everything we tanked for.
     
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  6. meh

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    That doesn't change the fact that the Rockets organization wants to win rather than grow organically. This direction from Stone only after they realized that taking the shortcut required too big of a price to be paid. That doesn't mean they didn't want to take that shortcut. Whereas honestly I find the fans much more willing to be patient with the youngsters, but you gotta talk about these things when the only news coming out are how the Rockets are looking at Zion and Bridges and KD and all that.
     
  7. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    So, you put more stock in what the talking heads say about the Rockets’ plans than what you see with your own eyes?
     
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  8. clutchdabear

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    low bball iq players like jalen green almost never have high ceilings. i think it's obvious now that his iq may be the lowest of the rockets young core, and because of that, his ceiling is also likely the lowest. some of you people need to stop kidding yourselves. as a rockets fan i wanted to believe in jalen... had high hopes for him even after his 2nd season which was a dud... but then he got worse in his all important 3rd year. all of his advanced stats show him to be in the bottom third in the league and he does nothing to contribute to winning basketball. high volume, low efficiency. his off the court stuff also doesn't really give anyone confidence that he's entirely focused on basketball.

    realistically, just hope that he can find consistency and be a net positive player for this season. sadly, i think jalen will be gunning for stats - we all know he wants that max contract. all that added pressure to perform.. and we know how jalen is when the stakes are higher. hope i'm wrong bc jalen actually being a good player would be a boon for the rockets... but feel like the writing is on the wall and jalen is who he is.
     
  9. Nook

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    Morey never had a #2, #3, #3, #4 lottery picks either. His boss wouldn’t let them rebuild. So hard to compare.
     
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    Objectively false statement.

    March was Jalen’s ceiling, he literally showed it. We have demonstrable evidence of his ceiling.

    And that ceiling was a top-5ish player in the league.

    Will he get there? We will see. Odds might be against it.

    But to act like he has a low ceiling is laughable.
     
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  11. SamFisher

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    Prior to FA/Offseason:

    Feigiko/National Writers - Expect Rockets to go Star-Hunting , make BIG MOVES if they can


    After FA/Offseason

    "We struck out on all of our trade/FA Acquisitions, but the good news is I think we can grow organically."
     
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  12. fchowd0311

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    What is low IQ basketball? What are you referring to exactly and how does it compare to other guys like Tari, Cam, Amen etc?

    The only guys id say have higher bball IQ are Sengun and Amen. Tari is a supped up Corey Brewer, a headless chicken but one with great motor and physical tools to cover a lot of ground on defense and nab loose balls. Cam? The dude who averages more turnovers than assists for his young career? Sheppard hasn't set foot on a NBA court yet so that's TBD
     
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    Did I hurt your feelings? Jalen has had some superstar performances but has played like pure **** a majority of the time for extended periods. I have my doubts he will even be on the team after this coming season unless he can become more consistent. TBH, I would like nothing more for him to be all he can be this coming year.
     
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  14. DatRocketFan

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    Jalen playing like he did in march could have been his ceiling. If that is a low ceiling u are just flat out hating at this point and there's literally nothing anyone could say that would change your hating a$$ stance
     
  15. Bobbythegreat

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    Does any serious person truly believe that his ceiling is being a 47% 3 point shooter rather than that being a small sample fluke?

    I know the cult probably thinks that's who he is, or who he could reasonably become, but those aren't serious people.
     
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  16. meh

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    So you're saying they're all lying? You need to tell clutch that we should ban threads and posts that link to these talking heads then, cause I am reading a lot of people here discussing their tweets and articles rather than their own eyes. It's not good to spread fake news.
     
  17. DatRocketFan

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    U don't even understand the usage of ceiling and floor.

    U thought his ceiling was brewer 2.0, so why r u even yapping?
     
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  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Lol you still lying about that kiddo? Do you think it's effective to just outright lie? Also funny you mixing up floor and ceiling in the very post you suggest I don't understand how they are used.

    Anyway, like I said, no serious person thinks that even his ceiling is a 47% 3 point shooter. It's simply not a possible outcome.
     
  19. robbie380

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    Or the writers and rumor mill reporters were just wrong...
     
  20. thedude077

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    You're delusional If you think the Rockets can get KD.
     

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