I don't really give a damn if you served your country. You're in here supporting shootin CHILDREN with rubber bullets. Now, if you had just been a man and said that you think all Palestinians are the same, children and grown ups, educated and non educated, terrorist or not, then I would've had some sort of respect for your P.O.S. argument. But you lunatic, you are saying that it's ok to shoot children with rubber bullets. You are proposing that if you're 2 yr old cousin smacks you in the face, you smack him back?
I see that. I guess you did not get the new tone memo from Deckard, Batman Jones and others. By the way, you should change your moniker to InSane, because that is your argument is. You jump to extremes with the "what would you do if your 2-year old cousin smacks you in the face." What does a member of my family have to do with anything? Well, my cousin would at least have the sense not to throw rocks at soldiers carrying GUNS. It's like children running out to play in I-85 traffic and you getting mad at the drivers of the cars! Of course they're going to get shot and if they're stupid enough to throw or launch rocks (ever been hit by a rock launched from a slingshot? Not a pleasurable experience), they deserve a rubber bullet. Keep your kids inside and teach them not to throw freaking rocks at soldiers! I mean do you have all of this "righteous" idignation for the victims of all of the suicide bombers the "Palestinians" have loosed upon Israel? You're giving the savages who butcher innocent Israelis a predictable pass, revealing yourself as either A. a raging anti-Semite, especially since the Catholic Church has released a statement that equates (correctly) anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. B. or someone who is ignorant of the true facts of the situation. I hope for your sake it is not A. And hoss, I'm more of a man than your sorry ass will ever be. I will utilize the new tone to those who adhere (Batman Jones [great way to show the way], Deckard and others) and I will be my normally vicious SOB-self to those who do not adhere. Good day.
bama (and Sane): It wasn't our memo. It was Clutch's and Jeff's and Kagy's (even though he flings his share). Our choice is to adhere to it with everyone -- not just the people we like or who are respectful to us, but everyone -- or lose the forum. I don't personally have a huge problem with flame wars. I prefer a respectful dialogue, but I can give as well as I get and I enjoy a good fight. That's not okay here. We have been told this many times. One or two people choosing not to respect the wishes of the moderators can blow this whole deal. My interest in ending the flaming is wholly based in that. I don't want the forum to go away. I'd like to think you guys don't either and that you can control yourselves.
Sane lost all respect in an earlier thread when he said that he would kill someone if his percieved God asked him to do it. Blind leading the blind. DD
They aren't sure what a terrorist looks lke? so that gives them a green light to shoot at whoever the hell that comes in their way? Doesn that sound a bit looney. Next time there is a hostage situation, why dont we shoot at the criminal even though there is a chance that 50% of the hostages will get killed. Great theory buddy? OK my last para was hypothetical, Does it seem irrational to you, Thats the way life is for most palestinians. They go out to play like every other child in the world, except their playground is a battle field. Half the time the kids aren't even throwing rocks, and they get shot? you dont think their young little friends wont throw rocks next time some israeli comes along?
The Israelis go to great pains to prevent civilian deaths. If they cared not a whit about collateral damage, they'd flatten every "Palestinian" village and town with carpet bombs and call it a day. I'm sure you'll say "well, they wouldn't be able to get away with that, the U.S. would not let them." Well, if they really were killing folks indiscriminately, as you claim, would they still receive oodles of our aid money? Hmmm........ As for children throwing rocks at soldiers, read my earlier post. Do something just plain stupid (throw rocks at soldiers, try to the pull the mask off the Lone Ranger, tug on Superman's cape, play in I-85 traffic), you should expect fatal or near-fatal consequences. I know when I was a kid, I was whipped for throwing rocks. If the "Palestinian" children don't have sense enough not to throw rocks at ARMED soldiers, no matter what their feelings, they deserve whatever they get. Sure, there may be an atrocity ever now and then. That's war. But I doubt the Israelis are engaging in a systematic campaign of random killing.
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Im sure teh Israelis do go through a lot, but its still not enough. They do flatten villages and such. And America does still support it at that. That is why us Americans get dragged in teh hatred of the Arabs. The Israelis do a good job to justify their reason and so far the american public hasnt responded in a negative way, if they up their tactics of flattening more villages in a larger way, no way in hell any american would support them. Im not arguing against you saying that anyone throwing rocks should be aprehended, but take my hypothetical paragraph, if it was your child would you say anything differently? If this is war, and you accept that civilians are lost. then how do you not see the suicide bombers as just being soldiers? How come its ok for one side to kill civillians and the other it isnt?
Suicide bombers target civilians and kill civilians the majority of the time. IDF soldiers target militants the majority of the time, sometimes killing civilians in the process. For some reason, people don't seem to grasp this concept.
I grasp that concept, but the difference is that ONE is a terrorist organization, That is what they do, they target civillians. THe other is a very very well organized army with some of the best equipment around. When a terrorist organization kills civilians, well thats what they do. But when an organized amry of a country does that itsmuch worse, even if they arent targeting the civilians. Just because one of the responsibilities of being a Country is not to harm civillians...
Are you saying if an Israeli soldier aims at a terrorist and accidentally hits a Palistinian civilian, that that is worse than a suicide bomber intentionally blowing up himself and other Israelis? Please clarify.
No, what I am saying is that, What a terrorist does is expected. But, what a soldier is supposed to do is all based on rules and regulations, and there are certain guidlines they must adhere to. Hence making it worse when a person who is there to protect civillians actually kills em. Im not saying an accident is not going to happen, but launching missles into a crowded area to kill one person is quite the ineffective way to do it.
Are you saying if an Israeli soldier aims at a terrorist and accidentally hits a Palistinian civilian ... Why does this have to be black and white for you? Wouldn't it be ok to say that both sides have blood on their hands?
I would agree there is hypocrisy on both sides. But there is a big difference between strangeness and lunacy.
