The question of trump immunity

I have less problems with term-limited offices than I do with unlimited term offices, government appointments and those in the private industry.

 

Except this ruling doesn’t only have to do with term limits as it applies to former presidents. If there is evidence that Obama actually did use drone strikes for personal benefit or if GW Bush launched the Iraq war to for personal gain it will be very difficult them to
Account.

These rulings make it harder to address the type of government corruption you and many others here in the right have criticized

 

Dark Brandon only. He alone is immune when executing his holy presidential duties.

 

I believe you are misunderstanding me.

I am less concerned with holding former seats accountable than I am with letting indefinite seats (think Congress) continue to abuse their position.

We must first accept some form of this reality - Elected government officials have a much longer leash of what is acceptable than the commoner.

That said, what we can not allow is unchecked lawfare. We have generally given Congress the responsibility to police their own. We have seen this increased abuse of behavior; The impeachment of Bill Clinton, 2x Trump and the attempt with Biden. We have also seen this full court press to entangle Trump in any form legal battle possible, including this nonsensical 34 felonies. As a country, we can't go after political opponents using the most extreme form of the law. This is what 3rd world countries do.

Ultimately the only force more powerful than the Constitution of the US is the will of the people. And if the people want to elect a man with dementia or elect a man who has no regard to the laws of this country, then so be it. Neither are fit to be president under the good faith efforts of the constitution but yet, here we stand. 50% of the country doesn't give a ****. The other 50% wants to disqualify the other side when neither side is fit for the job. When as a country we have reached this point, there is no self-righteous high chair for anyone to stand on and declare their opinion superior to anyone else.

 

I agree but this ruling does nothing to help that. If anything given that many members of Congress aspire to the Presidency it just makes it more likely for corruption at the highest office to continue.

First off impeachment isn't a criminal exercise. It is a political exercise. The Founders made it clear several times that Presidents, members of Congress, USSC Justices are not above law. This argument that it's "lawfare" and like a third world country ignores that those accused have all the rights and protections of the US constitution. As we are seeing Trump has not only been given his rights but even treated with deference in courts. Any other defendant would've served jail time just for violating the gag orders.

This is a really bizarre argument that we should be very concerned about government corruption but we shouldn't hold former or current members of the government because it is "lawfare".

And that is why I'm arguing for principle not for the person. That is why I'm pointing out that this ruling protects Biden and any other Democratic president as it protects Trump and if you care about principle that shouldn't be the case no matter whether you support the President or not.

 

I will agree that the possibility that a President now could use SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political opponent is very far fetched but the possibility that a President could accept bribes and not be held legally accountable is very possible. Barrett raised that very situation in her concurring opinion.

For all of those who have been claiming that Biden is bought and sold by the Chinese well this ruling makes even if you can prove it that he most likely won't face legal consequences.

 

These are the kind of easily sloppy mistakes that would give a future court the ability to easily reverse this decision if there's a way in the future to change the makeup of the court.

If Biden or another candidate wins in 2024, the Supreme Court should be priority #1. The new presidential dictator powers to me seems like an opportunity to use those dictator powers in the short term to force the right wing justices off the court by weaponizing the DOJ, etc. to prosecute Thomas, Alito, and Roberts. Put them in jail using your dictator powers, put real pro constitution justices on the court, and then let them reverse the dictator powers moving forward.

Some might call this... "Dictator For a Day".

 

Bribery will become common. Every corrupt, powerful individual and nation will be trying to get "their" guy elected as POTUS to do their bidding.

Of course, no one thinks any normal POTUS would ever attempt to assassinate a political opponent. But once you give that power and provide protection against criminal prosecution, someone will be tempted to use it whereas before they dare not.

 

Let's just call it an "official act" and everything is fine....

 

At a removed level -- like if you could see this as a history lesson or from a far-away country -- this basic issue is interesting.

How could one ever construct a democracy (or a democratic republic) with enough boundaries and laws to make sure you could handle a bad actor ascending to power? I would say it's nearly impossible and that, at the core of this issue, we set our trust and hope in the will of the people. You have to hope and assume that the mass populace will not elect a lying, bad faith conman with authoritarian tendencies. Ideally a free and impartial press would inform the populace about such a person.

But now we've eroded enough of the common discourse, and created separate, alternate "news" streams, that indeed, a bad actor can fairly easily assume the most powerful position in the land. In fact, perhaps social media's primary political effect is to increase the chances of that. Controversial, venal figures get more clicks and more digital air under their wings.

 

This is the BS that the Supreme Court has paved the way for this clown to be able to get away with.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/01/trump-...elected-officials-invokes-military-tribunals/

 

The scrote really loves enabling corruption.

McDonnell v US raised the bar for prosecutors to prove quid pro quo corruption via "official acts", which flipped the first Bob Menendez corruption case into a mistrial.

Corporations as People
Money as Speech

Not sure how people on either side will swallow this BS any longer except maybe creating outrage to make us hate each other more so each side feels like "we won" when their president inflict damages to the other out of spite.

 

Biden's selfish actions, using the Judicial Branch to diminish the power of the Executive Branch, was threatening to destroy our nation's balance of power. This is particularly true when you consider the overwhelming liberal population of DC and hence the jury pools of federal trials of Presidents. It was Biden who was the bad actor here, looking to eliminate his political opponent by using the informal 4th branch of government -- the Administrative State -- and the deep blue jury pools in NY and DC. SCOTUS rightly ended this attack on our democracy.

Once again, it's the liberals who are attacking our democracy, and all the while accusing future Republican leaders of exactly what they are doing, while they are doing it. No self awareness and utter hypocrisy. You can't break 240 years of precedent and prosecute a President over a bookkeeping violation (of internal accounting records!) that is past the statute of limitations and tie it to an unnamed crime to turn a misdemeanor into 34 felonies... to try to eliminate your existing political opponent. Did you actually think that would be healthy for our country? Wow, if so. Thank you SCOTUS for ending this ruinous lawfare and preserving our country. 12 liberals in Manhattan don't get to pick our President.

 

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Richard Nixon is turning in his grave; if only he had this accomodative supreme court during the Watergate era !!

 

Lol you'd be exactly that conservative German during 1930s Germany who would be like "ya the Nazis are loud and annoying but the commies?!? Have you seen the commies!?!"


That's you. A privileged human who for his entire life has defended right wing politics and now that it's blatantly fascist you have to create a narrative of "both sides" in your head to satisfy your narcissism and ego so you don't feel embarrassed for defending the rise of fascism for decades.