David, please edify me on the new CBA, at least to help me understand: how do trades, like Mavs’, get rolled into room (?) exceptions? can room (?) exceptions and TEs get rolled into one combined $ amount? theoretically, when can Aaron Holiday and other teams’ resignings get traded? Thank you…x…
@BimaThug @aelliott I thought the Mavs used part of MLE to sign FA (Marshall) & then traded Green into CHA FA cap space to create room for Klay. (Green $$$ + rest of the MLE). I didn't think you could combine TEs (I thought that rule didn't change.) I think it is still 90 days after signing before you can trade a FA. Those 2 know better than me.
@BimaThug will know for sure, but I believe it's this: teams can combine exceptions in the same trade if they are used on different players. Teams cannot combine exceptions in order to acquire one player.
Not BT or aelliott, but these are straight-forward enough to answer; I do not believe any of these changed in the latest CBA. Exceptions can never be aggregated, you can use a maximum of one per player in each trade. It gets confusing, because teams on either side of the trade may choose to use different exceptions. Secondly, remember that any team that is not under the cap after the transaction is using an exception; that includes the salary matching/aggregation exception (allowing them to take in up to 25% more salary of the combined total they are sending out, and combining players salaries). It even includes if you're taking back less salary than you send out (this generates a "traded player exception in a non-simultaneous transaction"). If you are under the cap, you do not need to use exceptions, and can take back as much as you want as long as you remain below the cap. For Dallas, they have an additional restriction because they both used the non-taxpayer MLE (to sign Naji Marshall), and are accepting a player in a sign-and-trade (Klay Thompson), meaning they are hard capped at the first apron ($178.7M). Everything they do this season has to keep them below that number. The way all of their transactions are going to be input when they are official will likely look something like this: Trade #1: Tim Hardaway Jr. ($16.1M) into Detroit's cap room. Detroit is below the salary cap, so they do not need an exception. Dallas generates a $16.1M trade exception using the "non-simultaneous" traded player exception. Trade #2: Quentin Grimes ($4.3M) into the remainder of the Trade Exception generated in the Davis Bertans salary dump (Expiring 7/8/24). Trade #3: 3-way trade: Charlotte accepts Josh Green ($12.6M) into its cap space, they do not need an exception. GSW trades Klay Thompson for $0 salary in return. They will create a (~$15.7M) trade exception using the "non-simultaneous" traded player exception. Dallas will use the salary matching/aggregation exception to take in +25%+$100k of Josh Green's outgoing salary, which matches Klay's. The result of this is Dallas now has a $16.1M traded player exception, and Golden State has a $15.7M traded player exception that will both expire in 1 year. Note that they could technically structure this as THJ ($16.1M) + Green ($12.6M) ($28.7M aggregated) for Grimes ($4.3M) + Thompson ($15.7M) ($20M aggregated); this is a legal trade, however, because they are using the aggregation exception, they are not allowed to then generate a future trade exception of the difference of $8.7M). Also note how if Dallas did not make the 3rd deal a 3-way, they would not be able to use the aggregated player exception to get the extra 25% matching for Klay's starting salary. Teams can trade both resignings and free agents 90 days after signing, or December 15th (whichever is later). If they used Early Bird or Bird rights to resign the player, they are over the cap, and they received a raise of greater than 20%, it is January 15th. Aaron Holiday is a special case; any player who is on a 1-year deal (excluding options) who would have Bird or Early Bird rights at the expiration of the deal has a no-trade clause without the player's permission. From Holiday's perspective, if he plays the entire year out with the Rockets, he'll have two consecutive years of service, allowing him to sign for up to 175% of his previous salary, or 105% of the MLE. However, if he's traded, he will only have one year of service with his new team, and will not have any Bird rights. Because this is seen as a net negative to the player, he has to agree to such a move.
Your first question is way too broad to answer. No, salary cap exceptions cannot be combined in trades. Most free agents signed this summer can be traded starting December 15.
Finally found Daryl Morey's CF account. How you doing, man? Do you like cheesesteaks or barbeque better? Who am I kidding... BBQ & it ain't even close. They're opening Killen's at Hobby soon. C'mon back for some Q, broski! Just messing with you, man... but I am NOT joking about the BBQ
jch911, Here's a couple of additional pieces that you may be missing. These are straight from the Larry Coon NBA FAQ which is the bible for cap; information. It is important to view a trade separately from each team's perspective, rather than as a single, unified transaction. This is because the same trade may be organized differently according to each team's needs. For example, a trade might be classified as a simultaneous trade from one team's perspective, but from the other team's perspective it's actually broken into two separate trades, one simultaneous and the other non-simultaneous, completing a trade they started months earlier. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85 So that one says that each team can view their side of the trade in any manner which is legal to them. That includes viewing the transaction as multiple trades. For years, Coon's FAQ used the Rockets acquisition of McGrady as an example of this. In that deal, Morey and Co. broke their side of the trade into 3 different trades. Here's the one that I quoted in my earlier response. It's basically saying that you can combine exceptions in the same trade if no more than 1 exception is being used on a single player. Essentially, you split the transaction into multiple trades for your side of the deal. 90. Can exceptions be combined when making trades? Only to a very limited extent -- teams can combine exceptions in the same trade if they are used on different players. Teams cannot combine exceptions in order to acquire one player. For example, a taxpaying team may trade a $5 million player for a $5.5 million player and two veterans earning approximately $1.5 million each on minimum-salary contracts. The Minimum Player Salary exception is used for the two minimum-salary players, and the $5.5 million player is acquired using the Traded Player exception ($5.5 million is within 125% plus $100,000 of $5 million). This is allowed because two exceptions were not combined to acquire any one player. The other legal combining of exceptions is aggregation, as described in question number 86, where the outgoing salaries of multiple players sometimes can be combined in a single simultaneous trade. However, if that team has a $5 million player and a $1 million trade exception from a previous trade, it cannot add the trade exception to the 125% plus $100,000 margin from their $5 million player ($6.35 million), in order to trade for a player making $7 million. This cannot be done, as it would invoke using two exceptions on the same player. If a team has two trade exceptions from previous non-simultaneous trades, they can't combine them into one larger trade exception. Suppose a team trades a $5 million player for a $4 million player (generating a $1 million trade exception) and separately trades a $3 million player for a $1 million player (generating a $2 million trade exception). They cannot combine the two into a single $3 million trade exception. A rule of thumb is that a trade exception can only be used to acquire a player making up to the amount of the exception plus $100,000. (See question numbers 85 and 87 for more information on the Traded Player exception and non-simultaneous trades. See question number 88 for more information on the Minimum Player Salary exception.) The legal combining of exceptions sometimes gives the appearance of teams getting away with illegal trades. For example, as detailed in question number 101, when a team acquires a player in trade using an exception (and not cap room), the team cannot aggregate that player's salary in trade for two months. For example, New Orleans acquired Jerryd Bayless from Portland on October 23, 2010, and traded him with Peja Stojakovic to Toronto on November 20, 2010. This trade did not violate the two-month rule because New Orleans did not aggregate the salaries of Bayless and Stojakovic to acquire any of the Toronto players. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q90 So, technically you can't combine exceptions in a trade but logically you can if you can split the deal into multiple trades from your team's pov.
Those riddles were annoying. I remember how he called the Dwight Howard signing and this board went crazy
are players who resigned with their teams considered FA signings? Or is it a de facto extension since it counts towards Early Bird and Bird? Todah. Err, thanks!
If a player is not under contract on July 1, he's deemed a free agent. B'vakashah. Err, you're welcome!
The riddles were fine. What was annoying was he never gave any answers to those riddles. So no way for you to know if you solved the riddles. Then what’s the point?
