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The question of trump immunity

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Dec 24, 2023.

  1. Andre0087

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    I wasn’t speaking about you but the incessant social media posts of people claiming the U.S. will burn to the ground with this ruling.

    My uncle is a lawyer and also being concerned with this asked if I wanted to come by his house after work to go over it together. Same thing we did for the chevron decision.

    I’m just trying to get a better understanding of subject matters I really don’t know much about.
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    Two things to keep in mind given today's immunity ruling...
    1. a president trump will get to name at least two additional maga supreme court justices. A 6-3 majority is likely to go to 7-2.
    2. a president trump will be able to get his project 2025 implemented.
    Folks not worried about the future of our country?
     
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    1) Maybe? Kegan is 65 and Sotomayor is 70. If they both worked ONLY to the current age of Alito, both would outlast a Trump presidency. It's actually Alito and Thomas that are most likely to retire soon, so 6-3 would just stay 6-3. (But might actually get less rigid as Trump's appointees have been less reliable than Alito/Thomas.)
     
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  5. Mr.Scarface

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    "To protect democracy, I will shoot down DJT's plane. This is an official act." - Joe Biden
     
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  6. NewRoxFan

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    Just keep in mind that this court has proven it will adjust definitions of rulings, including disregarding their own opinions issued weeks before, to fit the ruling for this group that they need.
     
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  8. NewRoxFan

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    I wasn't referring to Kagan. Kagan's possible retirement would make it 8-1. Of course, trump could make it an "official act" to have Justice Jackson removed to make an 9-0 court possible...
     
  9. justtxyank

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    Sotomayor is the only one that should make anyone nervous because she's 70 with a shaky health profile.

    However, she could make it to 75. I don't think it's a lock that Trump is replacing a liberal justice in the next term. What's really at stake for democrats is that a re-elected Trump almost assuredly locks in 5 ultra conservative justices for decades to come. The court may not bend further but it would essentially be a generational lock on the current court.
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    I didn't know anything about Chevron, so I fed it through the AI meat grinder rather than eating Happy Meals at X.

    For all AI's flaws, what it's good at is breaking things down into different levels you want. "I'm not a legal expert, add definitions for terms like Deferral", "I read at a Trump level, include insults to make the medicine go down easier",

    Then you ask questions like a good student and also troll for ridiculous answers.

    That just gives you a model that speaks with you, but it's really the beginning. Your uncle could then fill in his knowledge of insider baseball such as how Originalist/Federalist interpretations are a fat ****ing joke and what meta context that serves.

    If you can define it then you can feed it into a new prompt.

    This easily destroys whatever sock puppet is writing MSM posts who fills up 80% word bloat for catch-up exposition, 15% of what angle the editor wants them to push, and maybe 5% of the writer's original thought. This doesn't consider what is deliberately being left out by omission.

    So it's not a tool to help you know everything (AI can't solve garbage in, garbage out), but rather level set and drain a flooded zone so that when you see and value Good Quality Information, you'll value and look for more it.
     
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  11. NewRoxFan

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    Your assuming trump will only sit in office for four years...
     
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  12. justtxyank

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    Well right, obviously in that case who cares what the SC process is though?
     
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  13. NewRoxFan

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    Correct. At this point... what does it matter?
     
  14. justtxyank

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    I am pretty nihilistic about the future so this doesn't even outrage me at this point. I'm resigned to it.

    We've legalized authoritarianism. The only tool left is impeachment which would NEVER happen if the president's party can block it which feels like a lock regardless of who wins the election. 2/3 majority in the Senate for either party feels very unlikely.
     
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  15. Andre0087

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    We will give that a shot, thanks for the recommendation.
     
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    Sad day for the Rule of Law.............here I was naive enough to think the SCOTUS would protect the American people, not one individual
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    Biden should issue an EXECUTIVE order that anyone convicted of a felony is disqualified from running for office.

    2 can play this game.

    DD
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    Geez, what a depressing summer this is.

    Since Biden is going down in flames anyway, and taking the Democratic party with him, he may as well try to pack the court before it's all over. Meanwhile, sure, assassinate Trump. He will definitely be dead before the courts can figure out whether the assassination was an official act or not. But yeah I know he's too p***y to do that and may lack the mental acuity to do it. So, at least pack the court. Staff can manage that much, right?

    Meanwhile, I'm going to work on coming to terms with being a relic from a bygone era.

    Which is a pretty giant weakness.
     
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    Biden should pardon his son while he still has a chance.

    OT
     
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  20. Amiga

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    Cliff notes: POTUS and former POTUS have absolute immunity for official acts; they are not immune for unofficial ones (hope this is correct).

    What is an official act and who defines or determines that?

    (The SCOTUS should have taken this case back in Dec of last year (was it Dec?) when asked to; it feels like a few weeks is too short a time to come up with a presidential absolute immunity decision that the SC has avoided since the 1970s.)
     

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