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LOR predicting Clingan over Sheppard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by groovemachine, Jun 25, 2024.

  1. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

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    And what does our (offensive factor) say? Do we have such a guy?
     
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  2. bustamove

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    I think the only way he can help this year is for him to avg 30 minutes a game
     
  3. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Picking Clingan would essentially mean turning our back on Sengun, which runs counter to the podcaster's mention of the Rockets turning down a Brandon Ingram for Sengun trade. If we like Sengun, then we don't pick Clingan. Instead we build around Sengun -- with shooting and passing. Which is exactly what Reed Sheppard brings. Easy choice at 1.03 -- Reed Sheppard.
     
  4. Hemingway

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    He can be a useful player, but we have 3 sf’s that need minutes this year. Why have a fourth? Why would Dillion take a pay cut to come off the bench? If we keep him and put him on the bench will he pout? Why pay someone 20M to sit on your bench when he is not even the next man up at his position? I think Dillon was a good signing and contributed greatly last year, but he is no longer needed. Amen should start and Cam and Tari should be getting the lion share of minutes from the departure of Brooks and Holiday. This is the rotation I hope.

    FVV
    Jalen
    Amen
    Jabari
    Sengun

    Amen or vet combo guard
    Cam
    Tari
    Adams

    that’s 9 man rotation. Fortunately, Stone has built a team of multiple position players. We don’t need a guy that can only play SF and play it worse than 3 other guys.
     
  5. Shark44

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    All the Rockets FO media messengers speaking the same? Either they're trying to get someone to trade up for DC or they're trying to insure that someone doesn't trade in front of them for their other target or maybe both I guess. Could be a smart strategy.
     
  6. jim1961

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    I am not saying Clingan is my guy, but lets consider a few things.

    1) We dont know how much gas is left in Adams tank.
    2) Adams is only signed for two years.
    3) We dont know what Landale's future is.
    4) Given 2), maybe Clingan is perceived as our guy after Adams is gone?

    Clingan doesn't fill an immediate need, but maybe the FO sees him as the BPA at #3.

    Clearly, our greater need is a shooter. But this FO rarely drafts for need.
     
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  7. Dobbizzle

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    I'm talking about Jalen, not Dillon. The post I quoted said "either Jalen turns the corner or we dump him for nothing." I have no idea why you're replying to me about Dillon, it's like a completely different conversation to what you replied to haha.
     
  8. meh

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    GIven how many teams are trying to trade up for Clingan and the Rockets actually listening, I'm going to be very surprised if they actually take him. Because teams always trade up to a position AHEAD of a team people really believe wants said player.
     
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    San Antonio could rat-f*** us with Washington or Atlanta....if the Spurs are determined to get Risacher, for example.
    Two lottery picks, even in a "weak draft class", could shake out well for crap teams like those picking ahead of us.
     
  11. j@amc

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    We can only hope that SA will trade up to get Risacher. He may very well be available at #4.

    1. Atl - Clingan
    2. Wash - Sarr
    3. Hou - Sheppard
    4. SA - Risacher

    If SA trades up to get Risacher at #1, Atlanta has to hope Clingan is still available at #4. They are risking someone making a good offer to Houston @#3.

    My guess is that SA bluffs to Atlanta that they'll trade up and does everything but submit the paperwork to the Hawks so they stop talking to everyone else. But they leave Atlanta at the altar late.

    Atlanta, then, takes Clingan (trades Capela or others). Washington is thrilled to get their guy, and Sheppard falls to Houston. SA then gets Risacher and uses the #8 on either Castle/Carter/Dillingham.
     
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  12. J.R.

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    I’ve already said this:

    I think they may like Clingan. He may be in their top 5, maybe even top 3. I don’t believe he’s first on their board (or who they will take).

    So by putting out “Clingan is #1 on our board”,…

    Tells Atlanta, you can’t trade down with San Antonio! He won’t be there at 4!
    Tells Memphis, Chicago, Portland, maybe Charlotte (and really anyone else), come get your man (Clingan) at 3! Give us your best offer!

     
  13. The Cat

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    Little bit of both. I know they genuinely like him as a prospect and as a person, they've met with him multiple times, etc. I know he's seriously being considered. Also, note that Feigen's mock has Reed, and he's the most connected of any of us.

    Now, the part that's a hunch: I've said since May 12 that no one in this young core is established enough for you to rule out anyone prior to going through the pre-draft process. If you do your homework and come away convinced that Clingan (or Castle, or anyone else) is clearly BPA, you take him and worry about the exact fit later.

    But, if you come away thinking two guys are fairly close, then "fit" can be something of a tiebreaker. And I just haven't gotten nearly the same vibes with Clingan that I did Jalen in 2021, Paolo in 2022, and Amen in 2023. It's possible the Rockets changed their strategy, in terms of what info they share, but I think the simplest explanation is they don't like Clingan quite to that level. If that's the case, and he's in a similar prospect ballpark to Reed, then I suspect fit is a potential tiebreaker. (Again, that's if they stay at 3.)
     
  14. meh

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    I don't see how this screws with us unless the Rockets secretly want Risacher despite zero leaked information about him. Which is possible since it seems like Risacher only worked out with SA and Atlanta. But assuming the Rockets do rate Risacher below Sheppard/Clingan, that trade only makes it so both are available at this spot and the Rockets get to choose who they like.
     
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    Looking at Stats sometimes is wrong. Clingan controlled the paint and the game was a blowout. Carter got garbage time points.
     
  16. Salvy

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    Draft Clingan, trade Sengun for a good shooter with length...... Rockets immediately improve on both offense and defense....
     
  17. Nook

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    It is really lazy and sad.

    Stone has a dozen oysters with Kelly Koolade Iko at a local restaurant.

    Stone tells Iko what to say.

    Iko reports it and then all of the bait fish eat the crumbs and parrot what he says.

    Also - the Rockets under Stone have sucked at smoke screens, to the point that I actually question how sharp Stone really is if he thinks this stuff works.
     
  18. jch1911

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    @The Cat good to see ya!!!
     
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  19. J Sizzle

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    Clingan over Sheppard would be unfathomably stupid given the current makeup of the Rockets
     
  20. snowconeman22

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    Look , if we did draft Clingan and traded sengun for Ingram … I would think it’s the wrong move , but at least we’d be trying to pick a direction .

    maybe they think that amen and green will flourish with a lob threat .

    idk man . It’s smokescreen season
     
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