Zack Edey seems like he will play longer in the league than Donovan Clingan. Zack Edey looks leaner and runs more smoothly. Zack is 7'4 300 lbs Mom is from Canada, Chinese background, former Athlete, same as Father.
There are 44 players listed at C with >30% from 3 last season, 29 at >35%. Significantly lower proportion than most other positions, but there are definitely shooters there.
That’s oversimplifying the discussion as many point to his lack of rim protection and lob threat capability. It’s not just about 3s it’s his inability to shoot beyond 15 ft. Other centers like Vucevic or Jonas V shoot around 44% that distance. Not having range compresses the offense. He is a unique player in a unique situation and I can see why management would contemplate trading him although I don’t think that’s the right move at this point. Most teams don’t run their offense through their centers. Philly and Den do and they are both stretch 5s.
Bad news once again for Sengun haters. https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/rockets-nba-draft-alperen-sengun-19523756.php Despite all claims otherwise Sengun is here to stay and the roster to be shaped around him as the 1A option.
Well duh! Anyone who did not already realize this either doesn't understand basketball or is being intentionally dumb.
Trading Sengun would only sting for a short while. Then the season starts and the winning takes all that away. Once Sarr, Carter and Jabari start protecting that paint, the perimeter and the rim yall won't even remember Alperens name.
I'll never ever understand wanting to trade a proven all-star caliber talent, for an unproven talent nobody's projecting to be an all star to take their place. It's just weird tbh.
Sorry, China has already stated the Rockets can't have any more Chinese players, otherwise they'll take tiktok away from the team.
The only reason it's weird is because Clutchfans are not used to winning. We've learned to expect loss. Right now fans here aren't even expecting to win this upcoming season. They're expecting more losing so they just want to draft any ol body because of pretty stats. They're carrying a loser mentality with them from season to season not knowing the damage being done. They want to hold on to the flashy stats guy even though he doesn't contribute to wins. So I ask you, what good is all that glitz and glamorous stats if you can't lead your team to wins? What kind of leader are you? Jalen for a short while started to remind us what winning was and we were all having the time of our lives. It was 2009 all over again. I'm all about winning. I know what the team needs to get back to winning. They need to bolster their defense. The reason this is a weak draft is because there are no flashy high scoring players. This a defensive draft. Now is the time to put the finishing touches on a pretty good team. We have all the scoring we need. Build up your defense. Not this girly top ten crap. I'm talking top 3. Now you are able to contend with the best in the league just like that. Trade Alperen and..... Pray For Sarr And Carter !!!
Nah sorry, I'm not there with you. And I'm a HUGE Jalen Green fan. It's like none of y'all saw the 2 man game with Sengun/Green that's slowly emerged bit by bit since we drafted them. I think I'm just gonna recuse myself from discussion til the season starts again, it's all one or the other here when outside of CF all of my Rockets fan friends (like myself) are big on them both, my non Rockets-fan friends think we'd be insane to trade either. I dunno what it is (well, outside of some bizarre partisan "us vs them" thing, maybe an American thing?) but CF is one of the few fanbases that actively seems to try and make the fans hate their own players, coaches, owners, team, basically anything and just focus on tearing everything down and justifying it with whatever acronym made up "advanced stat" matches their confirmation bias. Most of the statheads don't even know what regular good numbers are supposed to look like so they just live and die by these bizarre arbitrary nonsensical lines in the sand and then when they're not met (because they're r****ded in the first place "70+ games at 40% from 3 for example") trying to proclaim absolute nonsensical conjecture as inarguable objective fact. I'd rather not trade Alpi or Green, continue to develop 2 of the absolute best prospects from the last 3 drafts and maybe enjoy it a bit, I think CF is more bothered about b****ing at each other and promoting "just one guy" because that's how weird obsession works.
I’m so grateful we have you guys to help us actually understand basketball….Godspeed Gentlemen!! I don’t know what we’d do without you!
MPJ can’t defend.. I like JJJ a lot, I just wouldn’t trade Sengun for him. But I’m not gonna argue that part. MPJ is not it at all though
MJP may have his struggles defensively, you're right. But Sengun's still incapable of defending. MPJ is a better player overall
How do you explain then the Rockets defense that is ranked among the 10 best defenses in the league? If I remember correctly, Sengun's blocks per game average is among the best among the league centers. First, it's his 3 pt. shooting, then it is now his lack of rim protection that is not validated by the Rockets' overall defensive rating and his blocks per game, then it is clogging the paint which, if the Rockets had any consistent long range shooter would be a turkey shoot. How do you account for practically all the teams' defensive schemes are geared towards stopping him and yet he has been able to score at a high clip? Is the responsibility for long range shooting on a center or is it mostly on the guards or forwards? There might be an argument that positions are fungible nowadays but until the positions are not mentioned any longer in the NBA, then that argument is bunk. Vucevic or Jonas can shoot at some distance but what is the overall impact of these players on the success of their teams? They are not among the primary shooters on their teams since they have better outside shooters which the Rockets do not have. In summary, all the negative stuff about Sengun are not validated by his otherwise extreme importance and impact on the team winning more last season. He was the best player on an improved team and that is that. There is no one out there that can be possibly traded for him with the same potential impact that he provides.
Great take. I like Sengun but it depends on who the team drafts or trade for this year. I'm disappointed over the Van Vleet and Brooks signings. I'm hoping they shed salary with those 2 first. They may also trade Green. It depends on what Udoka's overall outlook regarding team identity he wants to roll with. Personally I'd like a team with Adams, Smith, Amen, Green, and Sheppard. Bench will be who's left following trades.
How many shots did these centers take? Someone could make 3 out of 5 throughout the season and that would already put them way above every other center in the league. Besides, a center that makes those kinds of percentages cannot be considered a threat from the outside, and if at all, opponents would dare them to keep shooting from three knowing the low possibility of them making those. An NBA player, regardless of position, who makes those kinds of percentages from three is not considered a "shooter" by any stretch of the imagination. The issue with Sengun is not that he cannot make threes, but it is his reluctance to shoot them. His lack of long-range shooting is magnified by the fact that none of his teammates is consistent enough to be a respectable outside shooter that opponents will respect. I am not arguing that Sengun is perfect by any means but the thread is about trading the team's best player last season because of overblown perceived weaknesses. The team's overall defense with him as a relatively flawed rim protector is among the top ten in the league even when the other members of the team are not necessarily elite defenders either. His allleged clogging the lane is bunk because the coaches made adjustments to put him on top of the key when opponents started to double and triple him in the low post. The lane was open then, but no one among the Rockets could consistently drive and finish. In addition, despite Sengun's ability to provide the screen outside, no one had a consistent outside shot to take advantage of the opportunity. Ultimately, who is the available center with that valuable 3 pt. shot that you would trade Sengun for?
I fear a CF civil war looming... If nothing else, it'd be funny as hell to see the meltdowns... Honestly I think he's a goner.. Ime wants iso guys that can playmaker and wants the bigs to be knock down shooting , strong screeners..
