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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Amiga

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    I repeated nothing as I made no claims about the 2022 peace talks. But, I do think it's a conspiracy theory to believe that Ukrainians would allow themselves to be used as fools to die for some Western defense stock interest.
     
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    So yes the Right are such degenerates that you just repeat and repost their rhetoric.

    also I’m sure @astro123 and @fchowd0311 never feel im criticizing them. But the while I may agree with them quite a lot doesn’t mean I don’t have any differences with them or don’t express them.

    What your posts shows to me that you’re far more interested in partisanship and “teams” while you claim to be above it all.
     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    Just assassinate Putin and we can end this.

    DD
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    ...and?
     
  7. leroy

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    Exactly my reaction. That was 34 years ago. Things have evolved a bit since then.
     
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  8. Buck Turgidson

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    Need to pull up some old memos about our good friends in Iran.
     
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  9. Space Ghost

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    Comical. And yet so sanctimonious.

    I'm far from above it all. As I said, the right doesn't hide their colors anymore. Stop pretending you're better. You're not better informed than anyone else as you live in an echo chambers as of recent. Stop pretending electing Biden is the noble thing to do and be angry at the Democrats for allowing him to run again. Democrats need accountability if they wish to survive or else they will merge with the fringe right and a new group will emerge. Only the most partisan are energized by their respective team. There has been a growing dissent against both parties. Kennedy is polling extremely high for a 3rd party and that support isn't coming from the right.

    I can reassure you Trump is an awful candidate. Why can't you admit it's baffling why anyone would think it's ok to vote up someone in clear cognitive decline. Joe Bidens age isn't the problem. You should demand Biden to get up for a 2 hour open forum discussion. If a person can't have routine multi hour discussions, they are not equipped to do the job.
     
  10. glynch

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    They believe their leaders,. Was it a "conspiracy theory" to think that many Americans were dumb enough to think they were protecting America by going to fight in Iraq?
     
  11. DaDakota

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    So do MAGAts.

    DD
     
  12. Amiga

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    Iraq War

    • America, the country, and the livelihood of the general population of Americans and its leaders were never at stake.
    • At the start of the Iraq invasion by American military—aka the Iraq War—about 60% of Americans supported the war. Four years later, about 60% said it was a mistake.
    Ukraine/Russia War
    • Ukraine, the country, and the livelihood of the general population of Ukrainians and its leaders are at stake.
    • At the start of Ukraine's defense against the Russian invasion—aka the Ukraine/Russia War—about all of Ukrainians supported going to war. Two and a half years later, 62% of Ukrainians support continuing the war (50% want to fight until they liberate all of their territory, including Crimea, while 12% want to push Russian forces back to the pre-February 2022 lines, even though 50% see it as a stalemate). None think the war is a mistake, but a large minority want to negotiate for peace, while a majority want to push Russians out to either the pre-February 2022 lines or completely out.
    Try to take a second and put yourself in their (Ukrainians') shoes, and I think you would clearly see why it is very different from what Americans faced with the Iraq War and why Ukrainians continue to support their fight to push Russian troops out.

    To answer your question, it wasn't a "conspiracy theory" to believe that many Americans thought they were protecting America by going to fight in Iraq. This belief was widely propagated by the government and media at the time, which framed the invasion as a necessary action to prevent future threats. In contrast, Ukrainians are defending their country against an actual invasion, making their support for the war fundamentally different in motivation and context.
     
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    They probably want those kidnapped children and dead family members back. Must be that Nazi President's fault...

    Much harder to sell a "False Flag" at your doorsteps vs conning a public 7000 miles away who wanted to Bomb Agrabah for 9/11.
     
  14. glynch

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    OK everything is Hitler and Neville Chamberlain. Sheesh.
     
  15. glynch

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    Like this. Not sure I agree, but goes beyond every thing always is a repeat of Hitler, Chamberlain and Mao.
     
  16. glynch

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    Time to get back to gaming?
     
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    Biden is doing his best to start a hot war with Russia. This is extremely reckless and putting lives around the world in danger. STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S WARS -- it's really that simple.

     
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    Not everything, but in this case it shares a great deal of similarities. Putin has used tactics from Hitler’s playbook
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    Which part? Invade a country like the US did with Iraq or round up millions of people and execute them,
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    One step closer to the war mongers fantasy. 'Advising' side by side with the French, now being targeted by Russians.

    Reminds me of another war not too long ago.

     

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