(ESPN) Jeremy Woo: Rockets have interest in Sheppard, with both the FO and ownership intrigued

Firstly, I didn't imply anything other than I'm not engaging with ridiculous straw men arguments. If you want to actually discuss something with intellectual integrity I'm always interested - so far the logical fallacies and idiotic attempts at projecting things on to me that I didn't say prove this is not the case. I don't believe Reed will be a starting caliber NBA PG because I've never seen a single piece of tape showing him running an offense as a PG, he's always the off-guard making connecting passes. The other players you're talking about are irrelevant to the evaluation of Reed and again, further straw men so irrelevant to the discussion. But yeah, if you want good discussion, drop the fallacies/straw men/idiotic hyperbole and trying to put words into other people's mouths, the intellectual dishonesty precludes any notion that you can be engaged on that level...

 

Might be my mistake, can't find the quote.

 

The only ways this could be true is if you never watched at all or if you simply have no clue what you're seeing when you attempt to watch basketball.


That said.... if what ATW claimed you said about Jalen Green being a highly efficient scorer is true, it strongly suggests the latter is the case.

 

That's fair, he can deny it if he didn't say it.

 

OK fine, chill relax. I'm sorry for whatever I said.

....do you not want to go into greater depth on this passing evaluation stuff? I'd genuinely like to hear differing opinions on how people evaluate a prospect's passing ability. I would say it helps greatly if you can compare prospects as that helps greatly to distinguish the traits that sets them apart. For example, Kolek and Reed can both make skip passes to the open corner man, but if Kolek is doing it every game while Reed does it one out of every 10, then obviously it makes sense that Kolek has more PG passing chops. I don't think that's a straw man at all. I just think it helps to define the things we're evaluating.

I'd like to get into that level of discussion and debate, though if that's not something you want to do, fair enough.

 

I dont really think anyone has, with a straight face, said those first three and meant it. I mean...the 4th one is true. You have to go back to 89 to find a college freshman with similar shooting splits (none other than Glen Rice). The 5th one is true if you're talking specifically about shooting. And the fact that his passing chops are pretty good means he can punish you for reckless closeouts.

I dont think anyone thinks Reed is on the same level as Amen or Cam as a prospect. But he would be the best shooter on the team by a mile the minute he was drafted.

 

I'd actually disagree on the generational, unless we're talking about spot up, set shots. I've watched a lot of his tape now, he doesn't have that super-shooter Steph like package of hitting them in tons of motion or off the dribble or crazy angles flying off screens. His high school number look just like a regular 3pt shooter also. I absolutely think he's going to be a sharpshooter, I just don't see it manifesting in the league much different than a JJ Redick or Kyle Korver type shooter. People actually gave me a lot of **** for saying JJ Redick like that was a bad thing, but watch their college tapes, JJ is WAY more dynamic shooter. Is he as efficient on the raw numbers? Not at all, but he can hit it all kinds of ways. JJ in college looks closer to Steph in the NBA than Reed does with how he came off screens, off the dribble, insane range, all of it. And we're projecting him to be this generational next level shooter? I'm still all in on Reed, but I don't expect him to be anywhere near the transcendent shooter he's being tipped as, he doesn't look like that at all on the tape, he looks like the guy you have waiting for when your star dishes out after driving. Seriously, watch the tape side by side and then tell me with an honest face that having seen what JJ Redick became in the NBA (who btw, is also known as a relentless hard worker before people try and bang on about that again) and how much better he looks than Reed in college, you're certain he's going to be this big deal. I honestly can't.

 

Based on everything you've said, this is CLEARLY a lie.

 

That's fair analysis. We all see things a little different and I could see a future where Reed turns out to be nothing more than a Donte DiVincenzo type on high efficiency. I am more bullish on Reed though and see a future where he's just a better more serviceable player than Jalen Green. JJ was a better movement shooter but Reed is a more dynamic all around player on top of being a *better* shooter. He is just mind numbingly efficient and doesn't take shots he's not supposed to take. Doesn't force things and makes the right play (unlike someone else on the team). I don't see Steph Curry but I do see smaller Klay Thompson with the ability to play make in a pinch. His shot is just so automatic and reminds me of Klay. Give him space and it's over.

People try to look at his measurables and try to convince themselves that everything he's done is a fluke. When in reality he was ranked too low coming out of High School, was incorrectly put on the bench at Kentucky and frankly will be drafted too low no matter where he goes unless the Hawks take him. He's the best player in the draft, pound for pound (in my opinion) and the only one you can say is sort of a freak. Clingan being a close second. Him going at #3 would be fitting due to how many great players get taken there because some moron took the "upside and measurables" over the talent.

 

Hes only being hyped here. No other team is hyping him up. Just goofy Houston fans who care nothing about winning and only about gathering up a bunch of players they like.

 

Boy you’re a liar. All your credibility went out the window when you said there’s no tape out there where he’s running point. There’s plenty. What a douchebag.

 

Maybe i've not seen it then, feel free to send the link? Everything I've seen he's played as the off guard.


Edit: also, you lose all credibility when you resort to ad-hominem attacks. Especially when you show no evidence either, sorry. Makes sense though that you've got over 8,000 posts and not even managed to make 2k likes on those posts since 2006. Really lets me know what level of poster you are when almost nobody cosigns you.

 

This is how you can determine who has formed opinions without having watched much film or they simply dont know what they're looking at.

Not only is there tons of footage of him being the pg or initiating their offense, but he led their team in assists. Just gotta ignore those takes. Not even worth the discussion when people say stuff like that.

 

That's the thing, like you say "more Klay Thompson than Steph" I'd agree with that. I also believe though, that 6'3 Klay Thompson is probably not as much of a shoe in to be a starting SG in the league. I actually think Reed is more likely to be an undersized SG than a PG (hence why it concerns me that his college tape makes him look nowhere near as good as JJ Redick was) but again that's the thing putting a cap on his ceiling for me. If he had the self-creation (or even creation for others) then I could see a poor man's version of some of the crazy hyperbolic projections, but I've not seen it yet on the tape. I'm not even saying he can't get there, I'm just saying that nothing about him screams all-star or even starting PG. 3-4 inches in height and 100% starting/potential all star 2 guard, but he aint got that.

 

Yeah right.

Since apparently your thumbs dont work or youve never heard of youtube or google:



How can anyone watch even the first minute of that and take you serious that you know what youre talking about regarding these prospects?

 

It's probably best to ask these knuckle draggers who lie about watching games who they think primarily ran the point for Kentucky if not Sheppard.... just to see what BS they come up with or if they backtrack

 

Can't look at any player in this draft from an All-Star perspective. They're just not there. There will be someone for sure but Reed has as good a chance as anyone else. And I'd look at it more like....who would play well next to Amen Thompson? I'm not sure you could come up with a better player than Reed. They are both menaces in transition and in that situation you are just dead to rights. Unlike Jalen who consistently will make the wrong play, Reed never does. And neither does Amen. Reed is the best transition passer in the draft class. Sam Vecenie was on Russillo's podcast saying that same thing. He needs to be next to a jumbo playmaker who will make up for his size deficiencies and Amen needs to be next to a marksman who will make up for his shooting deficiencies. It just works unbelievably well on paper. In transition, Reed and Amen are going to shred you. You're either leaving Amen 1v1 at the cup or you're leaving Reed space for a 3.

Idk man I just trust dudes that just seem to get it done and I don't have to listen to stories about unicorn dust and witchcraft (Sarr, Risacher, Castle, Buzelis becoming stuff they arent).

 

Yeah I don't hate your take at all, I'd just 100% answer "Jalen Green" over Reed Sheppard to that question. Reed's got a significant amount of achieving to do before I'd remotely project him as a better player if I'm honest. Still, I do want Reed. I think he's a perfect fit for most of our guys, especially when Jalen at his best is ball dominant which matches Reed just as perfectly as Amen does at the point. Seems like a good direction to go for the backcourt (assuming Amen actually puts it together and isn't a SF, which I see as the least guaranteed part of the whole equation - Jalen's actually had superstar runs as a SG, Amen's had none as an anything but especially not a PG so far.) I think he works as a spot up threat for Sengun out of the double team also and the defense should be passable at least if he can stay in front of NBA 1's (he's WAY too small to really guard an athletic NBA 2/3 guard.)

 

It does make sense that a mindless Jalen cultist would dislike Reed Sheppard.... he's effectively the anti-Jalen.

Sheppard is actually good at basketball, has a high BBIQ, plays plus defense, is an amazing shooter, is a skilled passer... the exact opposite of the chucker worshipped by our resident cultists.

 

https://africa.espn.com/nba/insider...t-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks

“…Clingan, (who) has not worked out for the Rockets.”

Should the Rockets stand pat, Sheppard has been the favorite here since draft lottery night. Houston's ownership group traveled to meet with him in Los Angeles fairly early in the process, and he visited the Rockets' facility to make his case as the best shooter in the draft. -- Givony