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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 15, 2020.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    When history books discuss the current maga court, this will be a data point...

     
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    I hope she keeps Grandpa's hands off her own daughter and doesn't let him fondle her like she let daddy.
     
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    The maga court continues its delay tactic to protect trump...

     
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    another disappointing day for those who complain about the MAGA court
     
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    Let’s hold off on the praise for a few more days…
     
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    The maga court sends out the occasional crumb in advance of a series of major case decisions favoring their maga side. Immunity and obstruction are the major cases that they are choosing to delay and eventually rule in favor of trump. Yet even in this maga justice paidfor was the lone dissent. How extreme can he possibly be?

    It will be interesting to note that even maga justice beerbud reflected on paidfor's dissent by saying:


    It will be interesting to see maga justice beerbud and his fellow magas ignore this when deciding immunity...
     
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    How is this opinion more delayed than in the past?
     
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    you know . . . because Dems and progressives want it yesterday
     
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    This was on June 6. 15 days ago. So its been 204 days. Of course, the Supreme Court back in the Nixon years wasn't as corrupt as the current version. That court wasn't trying to stall their decision to protect Nixon.
     
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    lol
     
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    Probably had a few important campaign meetings with trump this past week. He'll be back for the immunity decision...

     
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    trump would hit
     
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    link should work for everyone

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-v-...xfbg3pgfiyo&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    The Supreme Court’s Thoughtful Gun Ruling
    In Rahimi, the Justices uphold a law stripping guns from an alleged domestic abuser, but a debate breaks out over originalism and the Second Amendment.

    By The Editorial Board
    Updated June 21, 2024 at 7:10 pm ET

    The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 on Friday that an alleged violent domestic abuser can be disarmed via a civil restraining order—and that’s when a debate on originalism broke out among the Justices. The opinions in U.S. v. Rahimi will help lower courts better judge Second Amendment cases, while also educating the public about the conservative Justices’ serious constitutional thinking.

    Zackey Rahimi was sentenced to 73 months in prison under a 1994 federal law that prohibits firearm possession by people subject to certain protective orders. He allegedly threatened to shoot his girlfriend, fired a gun after an altercation with her was witnessed by a bystander, and shot the house of a man to whom he’d sold drugs. He shouldn’t have access to a gun. The question is how to disarm him in a way that doesn’t violate the Constitution.

    Justice Clarence Thomas’s landmark 2022 opinion in Bruen said gun regulations must be “consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.” Mr. Rahimi argued that the Founders didn’t ban domestic abusers from having weapons.

    But Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, says it’s close enough: “An individual found by a court to pose a credible threat to the physical safety of another may be temporarily disarmed consistent with the Second Amendment.”

    He surveys historical “surety” laws, under which a threatening person could be required to post a bond, as well as “going armed” statutes against menacing with firearms. The law applied to Mr. Rahimi, the Chief says, “fits comfortably within this tradition.” The restraining order deemed him a “credible threat.” It was time limited. The majority also rejects the government’s idea “that Rahimi may be disarmed simply because he is not ‘responsible.’”

    Recent precedents “were not meant to suggest a law trapped in amber,” the Chief Justice continues. “The Second Amendment permits more than just those regulations identical to ones that could be found in 1791. Holding otherwise would be as mistaken as applying the protections of the right only to muskets and sabers.”

    What thickens the plot is that this argument about the meaning and application of Bruen didn’t convince the author of Bruen. “Not a single historical regulation justifies the statute at issue,” Justice Thomas writes in dissent. “Surety laws were, in a nutshell, a fine on certain behavior,” and they “imposed a far less onerous burden.”

    He says Mr. Rahimi’s alleged conduct qualifies for imprisonment, but the question for the Court is “whether the Government can strip the Second Amendment right of anyone subject to a protective order—even if he has never been accused or convicted of a crime.”

    Perhaps this impassioned dissent is what prompted a remarkable series of conservative concurrences that amount to a seminar on how the Justices think about originalism.

    Justice Neil Gorsuch emphasizes a list of questions not decided by Rahimi, including “whether the government may disarm a person without a judicial finding that he poses a ‘credible threat.’” Justice Amy Coney Barrett says Bruen must be deployed with a wider lens than lower courts have used: “Historical regulations reveal a principle, not a mold.”

    Justice Brett Kavanaugh criticizes the judicial inventions of balancing tests, “heightened scrutiny and the like,” which he calls a relatively modern innovation.

    “To be clear, I am not suggesting that the Court overrule cases where the Court has applied those heightened-scrutiny tests,” Justice Kavanaugh says. “But I am challenging the notion that those tests are the ordinary approach to constitutional interpretation. And I am arguing against extending those tests to new areas, including the Second Amendment.”

    We can’t do justice here to all of this debate. But the opinions by five conservative Justices are a refutation of the left’s criticism that originalism is merely a contrived theory used to justify policy outcomes. Rahimi and other cases this year have revealed the varieties of thoughtful originalist interpretation, with often surprising results.

    Appeared in the June 22, 2024, print edition as 'Originalism and the Second Amendment'.


     
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    @NewRoxFan & @SamFisher faint.

    We can’t do justice here to all of this debate. But the opinions by five conservative Justices are a refutation of the left’s criticism that originalism is merely a contrived theory used to justify policy outcomes. Rahimi and other cases this year have revealed the varieties of thoughtful originalist interpretation, with often surprising results.
     
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    Love seeing uncited quotes from right wing zealots commenting on how the maga court isn't really all that extreme right by using a case involving the most common sense ruling (keeping guns out of the hands of violent spouse abusers, even if temporarily, and even in a limited way). And even this most obvious and common-sense decision isn't unanimous.

    The reason for ruling on this case isn't applied on other, more far-reaching decisions (like Citizen United). Quoting maga gorsuch... "Article III of the Constitution vests in this Court the power to decide only the ‘actual cas[e]’ before us, ‘not abstractions."

    Of course, the maga court throws out a crumb or two, so the right wing wackos can say "See? Balanced". Then the same court will rule to the partisan extreme on the larger cases in front of them. Like Citizen

    "Thoughtful" and "surprising" aren't the words to associate with this corrupt and partisan court. Like United. Like overturning Roe. And like immunity.
     

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