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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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    Can you tell me what position in government this dude has? I'm sure he's in the Fatah governoring coalition which you call him a "leader" right?
     
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    @ROXRAN
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    Woke got it hard ! Breh comedians can destroy woke!

     
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    Calling "Kill Jews" "ethnic cleansing type rhetoric" is like calling Coltrane a dabbler in tube breathing type noise. Your question is based on a false premise; one that subtextually communicates something you may or may not intend.

    As for finding "kill Muslims" in the Likud charter, you won't.

    That being said, neither Likud nor Israel at large aren't even the biggest oppressors of Palestinians - that would be Hamas.
     
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    Hole in a sheet vs. Hole in a head.
     
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    The Likud party literally has "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" in their charter.

    That is abject ethnic cleansing rhetoric of Palestinians.

    When people say Hamas expresses genocidal rhetoric they don't point to their direct charter in 2017. They point to rhetoric of random members of Hamas.

    When people critical of Israel point to high ranking Israeli officials expressing genocidal rhetoric, the excuse is "it's not their official stance.... It's just the opinion of some hardliners."


    Ben Gvir is one of those hardliners who has expressed abject genocidal theotirc and he has one of the highest positions in Israel. If a Hamas member who is at the same level as Ben Gvir said the same genocidal rhetoric but about Jews, you'd attribute that comment by that Hamas official as the official policy of Hamas.

    You won't do that for Israel though. Any genocidal rhetoric is hand waved with "that's just the individual". Even though that individual is a high ranking Israeli officials with actual power
     
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    @AroundTheWorld @Nook @AkeemTheDreem86

    WOW. The IDF knew the exact plans for hamas invasion into southern israel. They knew exactly where they would hit nd how they would hit and refused to lift a finger. Wow this is insane. If this happened in the USA the president would likely resign in embarrassment. This is crazy.

    How the **** does bibi still have a job? And you dipshits @AroundTheWorld. @ROXRAN claim this dude is a good PM? What drugs you are people on.

    Did Israel want the attack to be successful? I mean there's no other reason why they wouldn't lift a finger ?
     
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    The hawks in Israel want to "cut the grass" in the occupied territory and clean out the Palestinians so the land can be used by Zionist settlers - the types of Jews that the hawks want, because they will support a hawkish and corrupt government.

    At some point soon, Bibi will figure out that Jordan, Egypt and the USA will not allow for genocide, so they will have to settle for a massacre instead - where nearly 50% of the Palestinians dead are children.

    I suppose the plan for Bibi could be to wait out the election in the hope Trump lets them do what they want killing Arabs - but that is awhile from now, and it is risky. More likely is that Bibi and his intelligence will let another attack occur to get more acceptance for slaughter OR perhaps Bibi orchestrates some sort of operation to save those that are hostages and to be politically saved.

    The idea that the Jews will bash the Arab Palestinians into docility without genocide is a waste of time - the Palestinians have been living in filth for half a century under apartheid, they will survive this too and comeback demanding freedom again.
     
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    How does bibi still have a job? The idf knew exactly how and when the attacks were going happen to the exact location! They even knew what time nd how many hamas operatives were going be used! This is crazy!

    The IDF allowed the attack to happen on purpose. This is sick sick sick stuff. How do you blame hamas when the IDF allowed it to happen? The idf should've stopped the attack!

     
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    No - Hamas doesn't exist without the formation of Israel, and then the expulsion and control of the Palestinians by Israel and the Israeli policy and treatment of Palestinians.

    Don't confuse the symptom with the disease.

    We shouldn't go back and unwind the founding of the Israeli state, but we should acknowledge the reality of the situation and all of the sub text as well.

    Israel plays a huge part in the formation of Hamas - the continued power of Hamas and the ability for Hamas to do what they have done.

    Hamas is horrendous - but they were created in a perfect storm.
     
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    I’m going to note that there was good evidence before 911 that Al Qaeda was going to launch an attack on the US, even evidence that they would use civilian airplanes. Not only did GW Bush not resign he won reelection.

    Israel is different from the US bit not surprised at all that Netanyahu hasn’t resigned.
     
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    Given the divisions in Israel over Netanyahu’s moves on the Supreme Court and other issues it’s possible that without Oct. 7 he would’ve been out of office already. As is I’ve still facing almost weekly protests in Israel
    Itself and with more political allies abandoning him he still might be forced out of office before the current conflict ends.
     
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    different story. CIA knew al qaeda would be attacking but didn't have details on how they would do it and what date.

    The bombshell report shows the idf knew the date, location, and the exact time! @ROXRAN @Salvy @AroundTheWorld these trolls post October 7 sob stories every day on these forums and expect us to cry and bash hamas over what happened on October 7.

    Where is the outrage from you trolls that the idf let the attack happen? They let hundreds of innocent civilians be slaughtered by hamas when they knew the exact details!



    So you're saying bibi allowed the attacks to occur so he could change the narrative and spare his job. That's some sick sick stuff.

    Disgusting beyond words. Allowing hundreds of your innocent civilians die in the name of keeping your job. Sick sick stuff.

    Don't forget @AroundTheWorld claimed bibi was an "amazing PM." Absolutely sick stuff
     
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    I dont have a solid opinion that Netanyahu might’ve allowed the attack to happen to stay in power but I’m leaning towards no he didn’t. Like with the rumors that GW Bush might’ve allowed 911 to happen I tend to follow “never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence.”

    And yes there was more information regarding
    What Hamas was up to but that the IDF didn’t act fast enough might’ve been due to many other failures than that it was a conspiracy.
     
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    What other failures? What's the reason why they wouldn't reinforce the Gaza border after being told by Egyptian intelligence and the American intelligence that an attack was imminent? Again they knew the exact location of the attack and even knew the hostage plan.
     

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