If we draft Sheppard or Castle, what does that mean for Jalen Green?

Means nothing. Jalen is the future. Neither of those two can compare. No matter what fans say or think. Especially now that Jalen has found his groove.

 

Amen can play the point from the wing.

They need Reed's shooting.

 

Regardless of who we draft, Jalen's play will dictate the most. If he is great, there is no further conversation on the matter. But lets say he is more or less like last year. Then it becomes either who we can trade for or who do we already have that can replace him.

Perhaps someone we draft will add additional competition to playing the 2. Maybe. But its unlikely to me any draft candidate will compete or be ready to start at the 2 right away.

The first 2-3 months of the season should be interesting.

 

The Rockets draft BPA. Who they draft won't indicate anything regarding Rickets view on Green. How he plays is all that matters. If he sucks, someone else may get more time.

 

These narratives about it being a moot point is pretty "out of the ass" level analysis.

Again, how can someone with a below average ts% have the third best on/off impact on offense on the team with only FVV and Landale with a small sample size having bigger positive impact?

It's as if people can't detach the fact that he should improve as a shooter if he wants to be a star or superstar and yet still at the same time what he's done so far is stoll important and vital to the offense.

Cam with his current responsibilities is already averaging more turnovers than assists. If he takes on Green's role as a high usage primary pnr ball handler he'd break league records for worst assist to turnover ratio.

Cam Whitmore currently cannot maintain a live dribble against set half court defenses. He's a play finisher or a clear out iso scorer, not someone who navigates through opposing defenses with a live dribble to break them down. That simply isn't his game. These are basic things that are observed if you actually watching games.

Look at how he scores compared to Jalen. Jalen at 19 was already splitting double teams and blitzes with a handle. That isn't Cam's game.

 

What it most likely means for Jalen is even more insane rabid hatred from CF when he carries on playing and they cry that the kid off the bench averaging 4-10 ppg would make us the NBA champs if they were only given the chance.

 

I don't care.....Jalen has had 4 years as a pro to prove he was a great player, at best AT BEST he is inconsistent.

Not the kind of guy to build around.

Move him on.

DD

 

...then Cam will get more playing time.

This is just not a particularly strong draft - yes it's the #3 pick...but it's also like the 15th or later pick in a normal draft. There certainly might be some value here, but there is zero% chance Castle or Reed will be better than Jalen this season.

If you don't like Jalen, that's fine but don't act like the guys in this draft are necessarily going to be better than they are just because you don't like Jalen Green.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with some of the poorly thought out takes here....the irony is if Jalen was coming into the draft today with the skills he currently has in the NBA we would all be DYING to move up to the #1 pick where he would certainly go in this draft.

 

Nonsense. If you put the current version of Jalen Green....fresh off 3 years of being a net negative on the court, he wouldn't be a top 5 pick.

The unknown is better than a known draft bust.

Essentially every single team drafting in the top 10 will be assuming their guy will be better than Jalen Green, or they wouldn't draft them....because all they would have to do to be better than Jalen Green would be to be a net positive player. Any player capable of being a top 100 shooter in the NBA is automatically better than Jalen.

Due to the propaganda of his fanbois, I don't think some realize just how awful Jalen Green is at basketball.

 

Jalen was always going to be given every opportunity.

All things considered, he is the most heralded prospect that we've taken. Jalen could've easily been the #1 pick in his draft and at the time it wouldn't have been viewed as an egregious move by the Pistons.

No one we draft in this draft will affect the plan for Green. They've invested a lot into him and Jalen will either play well or he won't. If he doesn't, then we have viable candidates ready to take their swing.

 

Mean nothing. They aren't good enough to replace Jalen Green.

 

lol . Dude any credibility you might have is negated by how good you think jalen green was for his first two years . You think hes better than and plays a different role than bane

https://craftednba.com/players/comparison?player1=desmond-bane&player2=jalen-green

and where do you find “offensive off-on” ? I can only find overall … and it’s not pretty for Jalen . The second worst starter besides Jabari . If he’s that good offensively then he’s still just horrible defensively (so quit telling stories about how he’s grown so much on that end )

the truth is Jalen green had about 20 good games that prevented his season from being unequivocally horrible . He has the worst offensive rating on the team . Do with that stat whatever you will .

in terms of offensive BPM hes behind sengun FVV and Cam

The goal is to win games. Last year, when the rockets won games ( for the most part ) it was because of defense. Our team TS % in wins was .583 , in losses it was . 547 .. yes , better in wins , but not a huge gulf. However, in wins our opponents shot a TS of .529 and in our losses opponents shot a TS of .619 ... a much bigger difference.

You might just think I'm a green hater, I'm not. I just want to be realistic about what hes done. My comp for him is actually pretty good, Its Demar Derozan . But even if he turns out as good as derozan , thats not exacty the player you want. What have his teams done in the playoffs? He needs to be closer to your 5th best guy than your Ace.

Right now jalen hasnt shown he can be anything more than an inefficient volume scorer. I have more problems with how the rockets have developed him than I do Jalen Himselff. He finally showed a little bit of spunk this year. But if hes not going to be your main guy then he needs to excel in his role, and i dont think hes done a good job when the ball is not in his hands on offense or on defense.

You say he is "vital" to the offense . An offense that was 27th and 26th out of 30 his first two years and 20th this year. What exactly is he doing thats so "Vital" ? We would have been better off giving known inefficient chucker Dillon Brooks his shots.

His "star potential" is an artifact of his age and athleticism , not what hes produced or how hes played. We got two more young guys that could play the 2 last draft and have a chance to pick up another this draft. The clock is ticking.

 

Green needs to get better or get out. You know he’s going to be demanding a max and I definitely do not want the Rockets giving it to the current version of Green.

 

The two are basically unrelated other than it would provide more guard depth and shooting behind Jalen.

it could very well be a moot point, as there’s a very real chance they trade down or out of this draft.

 

Good, then trade him for the #1 pick. I'll take Sarr no problem.

 

Absolutely, trade Jalen for #1 then take Sarr and Sheppard.

Of course there's no way you could get a top pick for a draft bust, so this would never work.

 

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/team/11/onoff#tab-team_efficiency


Cleaning the glass... You have to pay 5 dollars a month for the complete list ranked but you can simply clIck on each individual Rocket and confirm the ranking yourself.

Green has the third highest on/off impact on team points per possession only behind FVV and Landale with Landale having a very small sample size so will generate noise that makes his stats less relevant.

So ya, he has the second best impact on team offense out of the main rotation that played for most of the season.


To say his star potential is only a product of hypotheticals when the dude beats out the second youngest player in Rocket history to reach 4000 pts in their career by nearly 2 years which is a ridiculous gap between first and second is kinda absurd. Yes there is context that makes Green being able to do that outside of his talent alone but that context doesn't entirely erase the feat, it's still somewhat indicative of his talent and production.

Green has a more positive impact on this offense than Sengun according to on/off offensive efficiency metrics and it's really hard to point to something that makes this stat not indictive of reality. You can't make the excuse one is a stater and one is a bench player where it's easier to get better on/off numbers as they are both starters. You can't say that it's because Green mirrored FVV's rotational minutes who is our most positive offensive impact player. Remember Ime had Sengun attached to FVV because he believed their two man game was the most productive offense to generate. Green also played some of FVV's back up minutes as a primary lead ball handler so their minutes were staggered a lot more than Sengun and FVV. So you can't use the excuse that one of these guys had a lot more minutes on the court with the team's most positive impact offensive player. So what does that say about Sengun being 3rd ranked amongst our starters in on/off impact in regards to offensive efficiency on a 27th ranked offense? You want to go there?

 

It doesn't mean checkmate

 

If we draft Clingan, what does that mean for Sengun?