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Mike Scotto: Rockets will shop the No. 3 overall pick ahead of the draft in hopes of landing a star

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, May 28, 2024.

  1. BallSoHarden

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    Jalen is supposed to be a shooter, so he takes a lot of shots and has been very inefficient at it for 3 years. Has he not had the green light since day one? Why is that controversial, I would think this was a known fact and this is how they should have approached it? I am kind of confused by this post, just comparing straight point totals for a guy who has started nearly every game for more years than some of the guys you are comparing him to. Why have a total amount when you are including multiple rookies in your combined player totals? Including Tari Eason in the totals also doesnt make sense, he had a year less of experience and was injured most of his second season so you are including 3 rookies in your totals essentially, I am not disagreeing with anything, I am just having trouble following why any of what you posted is really relevant? None of it seems like reasonable comparisons as they are different positions, different opportunities and usage, and different number of games played. It also does not make sense that you are mixing coaching staffs in your comparisons too, having a Silas coaching staff vs Ime coaching staff is a significant variable, years of experience is also a significant variable, so none of this makes sense in its current form to analyze, and again point total being the only thing you are looking at to determine as "star performances" also does not make any sense.

    Jalen has had opportunities due to a handful of circumstances, him being drafted where he was a lot was invested in him so it makes sense to give him those opportunities. I am sure you can do some analysis that shows Jalen has performed well vs his peers, but I don't think this is really an apple to apples comparison that is being made here. Maybe if you put together some comparisons between some efficiency metrics we can see it side by side and determine how he has done. Or if you broke out Sengun and Jalen statistics across the board that would make a bit more sense to look at considering they have both been playing about the same number of games, but combining the players the way you did does not really provide us with any value. Even in Sengun's first two years he was kind of looked down upon by the previous coaching staff, and they didn't even seem to understand how to use him, so it still may not even be a good comparison. I think the only comparison you can really make is Sengun year 3 vs. Jalen year 3 for more than just scoring.

    Across a lot of league sources (coaches and players) the first two years of Sengun they pointed out the team was using him incorrectly, many opposing star players (KD, Ant, etc) have said Sengun is a special player and the Rockets should play through him. So if you have a scenario like that, it is very hard to make a comparison. Which is why I think year 3 of Sengun and year 3 of Green are the only internal comparisons you can make, but don't think it really matters all that much as they play different positions. I think it would be most useful to see what starting shooting guard efficiency splits look like over the last 3 years vs the point totals here.
     
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  2. eliefor3

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    What about james Wiseman, Marvin bagley, and fultz??
     
  3. Corrosion

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    I wish I could share your optimism ....
     
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  4. daywalker02

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    Selective Optimism.

     
  5. dfbreyes

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    #3 pick plus Jalen Green plus Jae Sean Tate to Detroit for Ausar Thompson and #5 pick

    Use #5 pick to draft Yves Missi/Jalen Smith /Quentin Post/Ron Holland

    Rockets would feature Shengun, Tari Eason and Thompson Twins -- how awesome would that be?

    Twins trumps the Splash brothers plus sibling rivalry should motivate both to be the better sibling.
     
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    Let's **** some fools up for the Lord this offseason.
     
  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I have plenty to share!
     
  8. Bo6

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    I'm at the point where if Reed isn't there I'm seriously pursuing the Bridges trade + a Phoenix pick.

    Zacherrie sems to be a modern Ariza which is a nice player but nothing that really moves the needle for us.
     
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    I can't wait to see the last ranked offense in the league with replacing Jalen with Asur.
     
  10. Hemingway

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    Yea, that was a terrible trade idea.
     
  11. Dobbizzle

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    He was never tipped as a shooter, he's a scorer. Maybe that's where your confusion is? And no, he hasn't had the green light since day one, that's revisionist history, go back to the posts from his rookie season and read all of the complaining that he was just stood in the corner not being involved whilst we watched the KPJ/Wood "show." Tbh I stopped reading after that line, who the **** has time for essays?
     
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  12. JayZ750

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    player x scored y points is an incredibly antiquated way of analyzing player performance imo.
     
  13. JayZ750

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    Id have to find to find the tweet to be sure what it said exactly. It MIGHT have been referencing only #3 picks. For example, the below tweet, which ISNT the one i had seen, but looks at the last 10 (TEN YEARS) of #3 picks

    It's fair to note that Bari is still VERY young and only going into year 3 while others on this list - well mainly Jaylen Brown - developed into the great player they are today over a number of years.

    In either case, it is what it is

     
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    I think you are confusing the excuses his fans made for his failure since day one with reality. Sure, they whined about him "standing in the corner" if there was ever a possession that he wasn't dominating the ball, but their delusions are the revisions.

    Jalen's rookie season he was taking over 14 shots per game with over 23% usage....the issue was that he was just really bad at basketball.

    First they blamed Wood and KPJ

    then they blamed KPJ and Silas

    then they blamed Udoka and Sengun...saying the slower pace is why Jalen was still a terrible palyer in his 3rd season.

    Those crazies always have someone else to blame for Jalen's constant failure....but you aren't supposed to take them seriously.
     
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    Jabari should be at 5.
     
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  16. Dobbizzle

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    When those high points also come along with 50% fg% and 40% from 3, it's a pretty damn good way of showing good performance. Or would you like to claim high efficiency scoring at superstar level is bad play now? The reaching is getting insane at this point.
     
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    Yeah but they didn't, the points came along with 42% FG% and 33% from 3 with a 54% TS%

    I get that you want to cherry pick the handful of good games out of a season, but you have to look at the overall product.....and the overall product is dogshit...still, after 3 years.
     
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  18. JayZ750

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    who are you talking about?
     
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    Lets give some context to this. Overall Points/FG%/3PT%

    Brooklyn----------16.5pts/34.5/38.9
    Boston------------13.0pts/37.0/27.3
    San Antonio
    -----17.0pts/40.6/23.1
    Lakers------------20.3pts/47.6/44.4
    Cleveland
    --------19.0pts/34.4/38.5
    Milwaukee-------16.0pts/47.8/30.0
    Detroit
    ------------25.0pts/40.5/38.9
    Memphis--------15.0pts/36.8/20.7
    New Orleans---18.8pts/38.3/28.1
    Orlando----------12.0pts/29.6/20.0
    Sacramento----17.3pts/44.1/30.8
    Charlotte
    --------29.5pts/50.0/33.3
    Minnesota------18.0pts/37.7/25.0
    Washington
    ----39.5pts/61.4/54.5
    Utah-------------21.3pts/46.2/36.4
    OKC-------------19.8pts/47.0/44.0
    Phoenix---------26.3pts/41.7/46.8
    Philadelphia---25.5pts/54.3/37.5
    Indiana
    ---------17.5pts/50.0/37.5

    Color Key: Great Good Bad

    https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4437244/jalen-green
     
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  20. Aruba77

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    Bari is definitely going to be better than RJ Barrett.
     
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