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Harrahs & ESPN Form Poker Circuit

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by SirCharlesFan, Sep 21, 2004.

  1. SirCharlesFan

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=509&ncid=509&e=44&u=/ap/20040921/ap_on_bi_ge/poker_tournaments

    By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer

    LAS VEGAS - Harrah's Entertainment Inc. and ESPN are aiming to capitalize on poker's best-known event by beginning a series of high-pofile tournaments across the country next year.


    The Las Vegas-based gambling company hopes name recognition will shuffle rival tournaments to the back of the pack in the lucrative and fast-growing poker market.


    The World Series (news - web sites) of Poker Circuit will include a point system and seven televised tournaments at Harrah's casinos in Las Vegas, Lake Tahoe, Atlantic City, N.J., New Orleans and San Diego, Harrah's Entertainment executives said. The circuit concludes with the Tournament of Champions in Las Vegas with top point earners gaining entry.


    While Harrah's wouldn't forecast anticipated revenues, the company is betting the individual events will attract hundreds of poker players, with each participant spending $10,000 for a seat at one of the tournament tables.


    Dan Goldman, vice president of marketing for PokerStars.com, a popular poker Web site, said anecdotal research shows that from 50 million to 60 million people play poker at least once a month.


    Harrah's thinks the World Series of Poker brand will help it tap that market.


    "It's so far head of everybody else you can't match up," said Howard Greenbaum, Harrah's vice president of specialty gambling and golf operations. "Everybody wants to play in the World Series of Poker. It's dying and going to heaven for the poker player."


    John Mulkey, a Bear Stearns Co. gambling analyst in New York, said Harrah's should generate a solid return on its investment. "It was a natural for a company like Harrah's with its distribution points across the country to own such a popular event," he said.


    Harrah's signed an agreement in July to buy Caesars Entertainment Inc. in a deal that if approved by regulators would make it the largest gambling company in the world with more than $8 billion in revenues.


    Other cable networks are already capitalizing on the poker craze include Bravo's "Celebrity Poker Showdown" and the "World Poker Tour" on the Travel Channel. Bravo is owned by General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal and the Travel Channel's parent company is Discovery Communications Inc.


    Steve Lipscomb, chief executive of the three-year-old World Poker Tour, began airing tournaments to impressive ratings about 18 months ago.


    Lipscomb's company, WPT Enterprises Inc., which went public at $8 a share in August and now trades above $10 a share, puts on a series of 15 poker tournaments with about $70 million in prize money. The finals are played at the luxurious Bellagio hotel-casino in Las Vegas.


    "When you play in the World Poker Tour championship at the Bellagio, there is no better poker event in the world, including the World Series of Poker," he said. "We've established the sport. The WPT is the NBA."


    "If they try to go up against our event, they are going to have to try to take on an established event," he said. Well-known pros such as T.J. Cloutier, Doyle Brunson, Phil Hellmuth Jr. and Howard Lederer can play in both WPT and WSOP events.


    While the Harrah's tournaments will carry the World Series of Poker name, the crown jewel will remain the once-a-year poker tournament that has been held at the smoky Binion's Horseshoe hotel-casino in downtown Las Vegas since 1971.


    Harrah's bought the World Series of Poker and the Horseshoe name in Nevada for $44.3 million earlier this year from Becky Behnen, the daughter of legendary cowboy Benny Binion, who used high-stakes gambling to raise the profile of his casino and Las Vegas.


    MTR Gaming Group Inc. later bought Binion's for $20 million from Harrah's, which manages the property for the West Virginia company.





    Harrah's believes more than 5,000 people could enter the 36th annual World Series of Poker in 2005, seeking what ESPN calls "poker immortality," when it will be held at Harrah's Rio hotel-casino off the Las Vegas Strip and at Binion's.

    The 2004 world series attracted a field of 2,576 players, far surpassing the 839 in 2003. Next year, the total prize pool in the No-Limit Texas Hold'Em main event could exceed $50 million, with the $5 million first place being increased by several million.

    "We had expected to see a substantial increase in the number of players, but didn't anticipate anything of the magnitude of what actually occurred," said Ginny Shanks, Harrah's senior vice president for acquisition marketing.

    ESPN, owned by Walt Disney Co., purchased the rights to televise the World Series of Poker from the former owners of Binion's for $55,000 a year, Shanks said. But those low-budget days are over. ESPN's is filming the circuit in 2005 and its contract expires next year.

    "We need to see what the ... market will bear," Shanks said.

    Terms between Harrah's and ESPN weren't disclosed for the 2005 broadcasts.

    Last week's broadcast of the final table of the 2004 World Series of Poker, taped in May, gave the sports network its highest-rated and most-watched poker telecast ever, ESPN said. Patent attorney Greg Raymer of Stonington, Conn., won the Texas Hold'Em title and $5 million in cash.

    "The World Series of Poker is it," said Bob Chesterman, coordinating producer for ESPN original entertainment. "It's the pinnacle of poker. The players knows that and the viewers know it."

    ESPN said the last hour of the finals posted a hefty 2.8 rating representing more than 2.5 million households. ESPN hopes to draw similar numbers when it airs its first Tournament of Champions in Las Vegas, which will be part of the circuit next year. Tuesday's three-hour poker slugfest was played earlier this month and included 10 of the best players in the world. The winner takes home $2 million.
     
  2. Jeff

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    How exactly did poker become:

    a. a sport
    b. so popular TO WATCH

    At least in the World's Strongest Man competition, they DO things.
     
  3. twhy77

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    I have no idea why, but I have become addicted to watching. It's a battle of wits in a way, part drama, part skill, and part luck; but once you've played it, you just get so interested in watching other people play, getting styles, strategies, etc.
     
  4. SirCharlesFan

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    Jeff, I think the explosion in poker on TV has to do with ESPN's great production. While Travel Channel, Bravo, Fox Sports also broadcast poker events, it's TERRIBLE and you never hear anyone talking about it. The camerawork, commentary, and production of ESPN's poker is so far ahead of everyone else. They are able to actually create storylines and make you care about/root for certain players because of their story. I know you don't like poker, but if you watched any of the WSOP main event this year, ESPN created multiple storylines to get you into it. You had the old legend trying to make one last hoorah in Doyle Brunson, a couple of crazy Euro players that had unorthodox styles, Dan Harrington as the established player trying to make it to back to back final tables, and all of the feel good amateur stories.
     
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    I actually like watching the Travel Channel Poker as well.
     
  6. boomboom

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    SCF...good call. Norm Chad also makes the WSOP very entertaining. He is constantly cracking back on those guys for playing rudely, inappropriately, or just plain stupidly. The WSOP is also entertaining because you get a chance to see some Joe Schmo getting on a hot streak and becoming an instant millionaire (ala Chris Moneymaker).
     
  7. hikanoo49

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    Poker is great and is probably the most exciting thing to watch (at least they are playing with their OWN money).


    Btw, for all you poker fans, please sign up to my site
    www.chipleaders.com

    Its like friendster but for poker players. Its FREE to sign up.



    Thanks!
     
  8. synergy

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    I've never learned how to play poker.

    Are there any good websites, which teach this game?

    It seems interesting enough.

    Thanks.
     
  9. Ollie

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    Are you serious? ESPN's commentary can't hold a candle to WPT on The Travel Channel with Mike Sexton. Listening to Norm Chad talk about poker is almost as bad, if not worse than, listening to Bill Walton talk about b-ball. Mike Sexton and Vince Van Patten are very knowledgeable, analyze the play, and TEACH you about the game

    As far as production, here are some things that ESPN does worse than WPT:
    They don't show every player's cards.
    They don't always have the pot size on the screen.
    They don't show how much each player has to put in to stay in the hand.

    The only thing that I like better about ESPN is that they don't go to commercial in the middle of a hand. BUT, the way WPT does it makes it like watching 24, loving and hating it for the suspense. Also, the LIVE poker final table on FSN was awesome. Oher FSN poker programs are hit and miss. ESPN is just lucky they had the rights to THE poker tournament. I do give them credit on improving and expanding their format from last year. However, WPT has set the bar for poker on TV.

    I agree on a couple of things though: the storylines are good and ESPN is better than Bravo (mostly b/c they have celebrity players who usually don't know anything).
     
  10. Lil Pun

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    I hate how the poker circuit has become flooded with these young guys who don't know how to play the damn game! :mad:
     
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    It's called character development. It's all post production so they can tell a story. Basically, you are watching reality tv. I like it too.

    There should be a poker video game for x-box. Why the hell has this not happened yet? Seriously.

    Carmen Electra strip poker exists. I think it's on ppv. Now that would be great for espn. Carmen is a hottie.
     
  12. KeepKenny

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    Actually, i think many young players that made noise in the tourney do know how to play pretty well. Many of them probably had to win satellites to get in, because of the hefty buyin. The chumps that can't play are the middle aged guys who can afford to shell out 10k. Then they call an all in bet with a flush draw cause they know that taking a 33% shot is probably the best chance they're going to get (see the hand where Men the Master was knocked out).
     
  13. Jeff

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    There is no amount of production or quality color commentary available to make poker interesting to me. It's like watching spelling bees without the suspense.
     
  14. SirCharlesFan

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    I think more and more we are going to see events like the one ESPN is showing tonight, thier little tournament of legends or whatever--I don't think there is a buy in for the event. ESPN is shelling out two million dollars in a winner take all because they will get good ratings, and overall I would imagine for something that will get nice ratings giving 2 million dollars is pretty cheap. A lot less than paying a bunch of actors for a made for TV movie and then having to edit in special effects, sounds, etc...Anyways, I think events like this will become more and more popular where you have the big names in poker playing in big money TV events where they don't have to pay anything to enter.
     
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    Why is a flush draw a 33% shot? Wouldn't it be a 25% shot?
     
  16. Joe Joe

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    9 cards to help you out of a possible 47 with two cards to come.

    (47-9)/47 = probability flush doesn't hit on turn = t
    (46-9)/46 = probability flush doesn't hit on river if missed on turn = r

    t*r=probablity of missing flush = 1 - probability of flush

    .65=1-.35

    probability of flush = .35
     
  17. 4chuckie

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    I'm not a math major (I follow your math to get to 65%) but if I have a 9/47 chance of winning on the 4th card (19%) and a 9/46 chance of winning on the 5th card (also 19%) doesn't that give me a 38.7% (9/47 + 9/46) of winning (with a flush) the hand? Again it's only 3-4% d8ifference but I've always figured it that way, but like I said I'm not a math major so I could be wrong!
     
  18. PhiSlammaJamma

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    If a flush card is showing on the table, your odds would change correct? And they may actually factor in the "hidden" cards on television.
     
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    Sexton is a friend of mine, good dude.
     
  20. Joe Joe

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    The 3-4% difference is the odds of getting a flush card on the river after the flush has already been made on the turn.
     

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