That's offense. Sheppard isn't built like a fire hydrant like FVV. I just don't think you can have Reed and Jalen as your guards without a rim protector. 2 of Amen, Tari, and Jabari can only do so much.
That is the micro level. On a macro level, the NBA, the Players Asscociation and who else are doing their best to promote the lottery players. It is a business for them, and behind all that charade and circus, those are all teenagers or kids even that need heavy development.........some can do development, guys like Stephen Silas cannot. You do not have to sell me on Sheppard because he is a well known recruit and very solid in his numbers and his profile. College is college. But that is all there is to it, he has to go out there and compete against grown men, and the best grown men in the world. I am one of the few that got really tired of all that Draft Process, it is a good topic but I am truly just tired of it and want to talk Playoff basketball.
:2025: Sengun and Green can create for others Amen at point F will be able to create for others Reed can set up an offense or increase the pace. He is a cerebral guard. I don't think height would be an issue. When we played against Beerka, Shai, Haliburton, or any tall PG, Brooks and Amen carried the responsibility not FVV. 2025-2026 season 3pt % Sengun, 34% Smith, 39% Amen, 1% (only shoots one 3pt every 40 games) Green, 35% Sheppard, 40% It will work.
I want Sheppard and a young big 7'+ out of this draft. Dream draft = Sheppard + Clingan 2021 - The Flash and Style Duo (Green / Sengun) 2022 - The Gritty Duo (Smith / Eason) 2023 - The Athletes Duo (Thompson / Whitmore) 2024 - The Great White Hype Duo (Sheppard / Clingan)
I remember when the Rockets played the Grizzlies this year they were killed by Luke Kennard’s three point shooting. They couldn’t keep up offensively because they couldn’t make any threes. Then you add Desmond Bane and a possible Reed Sheppard, it’s going to be the same story again along with other teams. The Rockets getting killed by the three point shot while they continue to shoot bricks.
I like the defensive wings on this team. Feels like we can take on any top player in the league and marginalize their impact, especially if any of the following double-team a guy, he's gonna have to get rid of the ball: Dillon Brooks (6-7) Amen Thompson (6-7) Tari Eason (6-8) Jabari Smith Jr. (6-11) All 4 of those guys can keep you in check. Put them all together - YIKES! I'd love for Udoka to have them competing against each other for the DPOY Award. That would be F'ing awesome!!! (Side Note: I think the defensive impact is the big reason I want to see a guy like Clingan on the team. I want one of those monsters out there where you think, if they attack the paint, he's gonna punish them. I miss those days with Olajuwon, Willis, Mutombo, Yao, etc.)
One thing I have to say about Brooks is that he was a great contributor to wearing Wemby down when Alpi dominated Wemby.
Spoiler: Physical measurements ONLY Reed Sheppard: 6’1.75 | 181.6 lbs | SR: 7’9.50 | WS: 6’3.25 | Hand Length: 7.75” | Hand Width: 9” *all heights without shoes. “BaSkEtBaLl iS pLaYeD iN sHoEs!” Save it, I don’t care. Lu Dort: 6’2.75 | 222.2 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’8.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 9” HW Rashad McCants: 6’2.75 | 201 lbs | 8’7.5 SR | 6’10.75 WS John Wall: 6’2.75 | 195.6 lbs | 8’5.5 SR | 6’9.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Marcus Thornton(09-10): 6’2.75 | 194.4 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’5 WS Kirk Hinrich: 6’2.75 | 186 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’6 WS Talen Horton-Tucker: 6’2.5 | 235.4 lbs | 8’7 SR | 7’1.25 WS | 9.5” HL | 9.75” HW Dion Waiters: 6’2.5 | 221 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Gary Harris: 6’2.5 | 204.8 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’6.75 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Isaiah Collier: 6’2.5 | 204.6 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’4.75 WS | 8.5” HL | 9” HW Willie Green: 6’2.5 | 201 lbs | 8’4 SR | 6’7.25 WS Beno Udrih: 6’2.5 | 199 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’4.5 WS Jarrett Jack: 6’2.5 | 197.6 lbs | 8’4 SR | 6’7.5 WS Cason Wallace: 6’2.5 | 195.2 lbs | 8’5 SR | 6’8.50 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.25” HW Elfrid Payton: 6’2.5 | 185.4 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6' 8 WS | 8.75” HL | 9” HW Isaiah Wong: 6’2.5 | 178.4 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’6.75 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Randy Foye: 6’2.25 | 212 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’6.25 WS Gilbert Arenas: 6’2.25 | 199 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’9.5 WS CJ McCollum: 6’2.25 | 197 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’6.25 WS | 8” HL | 9.5” HW TyTy Washington Jr.: 6’2.25 | 196.4 lbs | 8’3.50 SR | 6’8 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.25” HW De’Anthony Melton: 6’2.25 | 193.2 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’8.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Devin Carter: 6’2.25 | 193 lbs | 8’2 WS | 6’8.75 WS | 8.75” HL | 9” HW Russell Westbrook: 6’2.25 | 192 lbs | 8’4 SR | 6’7.75 WS Marcus Denmon: 6’2.25 | 188 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’5 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.75” HW Xavier Thames: 6’2.25 | 187 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’4 WS Anfernee Simons: 6’2.25 | 183.2 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’9.25 WS | 8.75” HL | 9” HW Monta Ellis: 6’2.25 | 176.6 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’2.75 WS Eric Maynor: 6’2.25 | 163.6 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’2.5 WS Marcus Smart: 6’2 | 227.2 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’9.25 WS | 9” HL | 8.75” HW Eric Gordon: 6’2 | 222 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’9 WS Jared McCain: 6’2 | 203.2 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’3.5 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Cory Joseph: 6’2 | 186.2 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’5.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 10.5” HW Immanuel Quickley: 6’2 | 185.8 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’8.25 WS | 8” HL | 8.75” HW Ramon Sessions: 6’2 | 185 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’4.25 WS Gary Payton II: 6’2 | 183.8 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’8 WS | 8.75” JL | 9.5” HW Stephen Curry: 6’2 | 181 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’3.5 WS Brandon Heath: 6’2 | 181 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’7 WS Avery Bradley: 6’2 | 180.4 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Ryan Rollins: 6’2 | 179.2 lbs | 8’4.50 SR | 6’9.75 WS | 8” HL | 8.5” HW Luther Head: 6’2 | 178.8 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’5.25 WS De’Aaron Fox: 6’2 | 169.6 lbs | 8’4 SR | 6’6.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 8.5” HW Bones Hyland: 6’2 | 169 lbs | 8’5.5 SR | 6’9.25 WS | 8.75” HL | 9” HW Jerryd Bayless: 6’1.75 | 204 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’3.5 WS Demetri McCamey: 6’1.75' | 204 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’6.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 9” HL Deron Williams: 6’1.75 | 202.4 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’6.25 WS Josh Selby: 6’1.75 | 194.6 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’5.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 9” HW Kyrie Irving: 6’1.75 | 191 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’4 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Damian Lillard: 6’1.75 | 188.8 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’7.75 WS | 8.75” HL | 9.75” HW Reed Sheppard: 6’1.75 | 181.6 lbs | 7’9.50 SR | 6’3.25 WS | 7.75” HL | 9” HW Jason Hart: 6’1.75 | 181 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’6 WS Marcus Thornton(15-16): 6’1.75 | 177.4 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’7.75 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.50” HW Devin Harris: 6’1.75 | 170 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’7.5 WS Charles Jenkins: 6’1.5 | 216.4 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’7.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 9” HW Bronny James: 6’1.5 | 210.4 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Nick Johnson: 6’1.5 | 198 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.75” HL | 9.75” HW Derrick Rose: 6’1.5 | 196 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’8 WS Collin Gillespie: 6’1.5 | 195.8 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’4 WS | 8.25” HL | 9” HW Nolan Smith: 6’1.5 | 187.6 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’5.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.25” HW Semaj Christon: 6’1.5 | 186 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’6.5 WS | 8.5” HL | 8.25” HW Delonte West: 6’1.5 | 183 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’6 WS Jaylen Hands: 6’1.5 | 180.4 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’5.5 WS | 8” HL | 8.25” HW Jordan Bone: 6’1.5 | 179 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’3.25 WS | 7.5” HL | 9.25” HW Erick Green: 6’1.5 | 178.2 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’5.75 WS | 8.5” HL | 9” HW Brandon Knight: 6’1.5 | 176.8 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’6.75 WS Donovan Mitchell: 6’1.25 | 211.4 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6'10 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Andrew Goudelock: 6’1.25 | 197.6 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’4.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.25” HW Tyler Kolek: 6’1.25 | 196.6 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’2.75 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Marcus Sasser: 6’1.25 | 195.6 lbs | 8’3.50 SR | 6’7 WS | 8.75” HL | 9.5” HW Melo Trimble: 6’1.25 | 191.8 lbs | 7’8.5 SR | 6’2 WS | 8” HL | 8.75” HW Zach Marbury: 6’1.25 | 183 lbs| 8’0.5 SR | 6’3.5 WS George Hill: 6’1.25 | 181 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’9 WS Roddy Beaubois: 6’1.25 | 182.4 lbs | 8’4 SR | 6’9.75 WS Myck Kabongo: 6’1.25 | 180.4 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’6.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 9” HW Monte Morris: 6’1.25 | 175.2 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’4 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.75” HW
Spoiler Shelvin Mack: 6’1 | 209 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’7.5 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.25” HW Scott Machado: 6’1 | 205.8 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’4 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Jalen Brunson: 6’1 | 198.4 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’4 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.25” HW Miles McBride: 6'1 | 195.2 lbs | 8’3.5 SR | 6’8.75 WS | 9” HL | 9.5” HW Jordan Taylor: 6’1 | 192.8 lbs | 7’8.5 SR | 6’3 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Ben Gordon: 6’1 | 192 lbs | 8’3 SR | 8’5 WS Will Conroy: 6’1 | 188.6 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’3 WS Toney Douglas: 6’1 | 183.4 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’6 WS Tyler Ennis: 6’1 | 181.5 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.75” HW Marquis Teague: 6’1 | 179.8 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 7.75” HW Seth Curry: 6’1 | 179.2 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’4 WS | 8” HL | 8.25” HW Luke Ridnour: 6’1 | 167 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’3 WS Dennis Schroder: 6’1 | 164.8 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’7.75 WS | 8.75” HL | 10.5” HW Rob Dillingham: 6’1 | 164.2 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’3 WS | 8” HL | 8.25” HW Jamal Tinsley: 6’0.75 | 199 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’7.5 WS Jimmer Fredette: 6’0.75 | 196 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’4.5 WS | 8” HL | 8.5” HW Dajuan Wagner: 6’0.75 | 193 lbs | 8’3 SR | 6’2 WS Aaron Craft: 6’0.75 | 191.6 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’2 WS | 7.75” HL | 8.5” HW Mo Williams: 6’0.75 | 189 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’5.5 WS Ronnie Price: 6’0.75 | 184.8 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’5.5 WS Cam Payne: 6’0.75 | 182.8 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 8.25” HW Sean Kennedy: 6’0.75 | 182 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’2.5 WS Sean Dockery: 6’0.75 | 182 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’4.5 WS Marcus Zegarowski: 6’0.75 | 180.8 lbs | 8’ SR | 6’2.75 WS | 8” HL | 9.5” HW Anthony Roberson: 6’0.75 | 178.8 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’2.75 WS Jordan Farmar: 6’0.75 | 171 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6' 3 WS Kyle Guy: 6’0.75 | 167.8 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’4.5 WS | 8” HL | 8.75” HW AJ Price: 6’0.5 | 192.8 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’3.75 WS Terry Rozier: 6’0.5 | 190.2 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’8.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.5” HW TJ McConnell: 6’0.5 | 187.8 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6‘2 WS | 7.5” HL | 7” HW Devon Dotson: 6’0.5 | 185.2 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’3 WS | 8.25” HL | 10” HW Tyus Jones: 6’0.5 | 184.6 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’5 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.75” HW Collin Sexton: 6’0.5 | 183 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’7.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.5” HW Trae Young: 6’0.5 | 177.8 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’3 WS | 8” HL | 9.25” HW Chris Quinn: 6’0.5 | 175 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’5 WS Jamal Shead: 6’0.25 | 200.8 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’3 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.75” HW Jay Williams: 6’0.25 | 197 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’3.5 WS Jevon Carter: 6’0.25 | 196.2 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’4.25 WS | 9.25” HL | 8.5” HW Ray McCallum: 6’0.25 | 191.4 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’3.25 WS | 8” HL | 8.75” HW Eric Bledsoe: 6’0.25 | 191.6 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’7.5 WS KJ Simpson: 6’0.25 | 187 lbs | 7’9.5 SR | 6’4.5 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.25” HW Devonte Graham: 6’0.25 | 186.4 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’6.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Quinn Cook: 6’0.25 | 179 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’4 WS | 7.5” HL | 8.75” HW Chasson Randle: 6’0.25 | 178.8 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’7 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Jeff Teague: 6’0.25 | 175.2 lbs | 8’2.5 SR | 6’7.5 WS Norris Cole: 6’0.25 | 174.4 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’2.25 WS | 8.5” HL | 9.5” HW Lynn Greer: 6’0.25 | 170 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’1 WS Jannero Pargo: 6’0.25 | 168 lbs | 8’0 SR | 6’2.5 WS Darren Collison: 6’0.25 | 166.2 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’3 WS Davion Mitchell: 6’0 | 202.4 lbs | 8’0.5 SR | 6’4.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.75” HW Demetrius Jackson: 6’0 | 193.8 lbs | 7’9 SR | 6’5.5 WS | 8.25” HL | 9” HW Chris Duhon: 6’0 | 193 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’6.5 WS Earl Watson: 6’0 | 184 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’6.75 WS Jared Jordan: 6’0 | 183 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’0 WS Scotty Pippen Jr.: 6’0 | 180 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’5.75 WS | 7.75” HL | 9” HW Matt Santangelo: 6'0 | 177 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’3 WS Aaron Holiday: 5’11.75 | 187 lbs | 8’1 SR | 6’7.5 WS | 8.75” HL | 8.5” HW Trey Burke: 5’11.75 | 187 lbs | 8’1.5 SR | 6’5.5 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.75” HW Chris Paul: 5’11.75 | 178 lbs | 7’9 SR | 6’4.25 WS Eddie House: 5’11.75 | 176.5 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’3.5 WS Eddie Gill: 5’11.75 | 176 lbs | 7’9 SR | 6’4 WS Raymond Felton: 5’11.5 | 199.4 lbs | 8’2 SR | 6’4.25 WS Omar Cook: 5’11.5 | 189 lbs | 7’8 SR | 6’5.5 WS Kemba Walker: 5’11.5 | 184 lbs | 7’7.5 SR | 6’3.5 WS | 8” HL | 9” HW Peyton Siva: 5’11.5 | 180.6 lbs | 7’9 SR | 6’3 WS | 8” HL | 9.75” HW Jamaal Tatum: 5’11.5 | 168 lbs | 7’9.5 SR | 6’2.5 WS Ty Lawson: 5’11.25 | 196.6 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’0.75 WS Jonny Flynn: 5’11.25 | 195.6 lbs | 7’11.5 SR | 6’4 WS Patty Mills: 5’11.25 | 175.4 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’2 WS Jameer Nelson: 5’11 | 199 lbs | 7’11 SR | 6’2.5 WS Frank Mason III: 5’11 | 188.8 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’3.25 WS | 8” HL | 9.25” HW Derrick Walton Jr.: 5’11 | 188.6 lbs | 7'11 SR | 6’2.5 WS | 8” HL | 8.5” HW Isaiah Canaan: 5’11 | 188.4 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’4.5 WS | 8.25” HL | 9.5” HW Dee Brown: 5’11 | 179 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’2 WS Shabazz Napier: 5’11 | 175.2 lbs | 7’9 SR | 6’3.25 WS | 8.25” HL | 8.5” HW Mike Conley: 5’11 | 175 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’5.75 WS TJ Ford: 5’11 | 162 lbs | 7’9.5 SR | 5’11.5 WS Carsen Edwards: 5’10.75 | 199.4 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’6 WS | 8.75” HL | 9” HW Will Bynum: 5’10.5 | 188.8 lbs | 7’9 SR | 6’3.5 WS Shane Larkin: 5’10.25 | 170.8 lbs | 7’5.5 SR | 5’10.75 WS | 7.50” HL | 8.75” HW DJ Augustin: 5’10 | 171.5 lbs | 7’10.5 SR | 6’3.5 WS Aaron Brooks: 5’10 | 161 lbs | 7’10 SR | 6’4 WS Isaiah Thomas: 5’8.75 | 186 lbs | 7’7.5 SR | 6’1.75 WS | 8.25” HL | 9” HW
I guess it depends on how you project Sheppard's defense. While Reed is not as strong as FVV, he is faster and taller. He will have problem with stronger guards but speed is probably more important than strength for perimeter defense. My concern is his lateral footspeed. That will determine how good a defender he will be. Anyway, I agree that he would fit better with Amen than Jalen. And honestly, I have more confidence in Amen than Jalen in their developments.
I’m ready to talk about a top 10 pick next year from the Nets while the Rockets are in the playoffs. I’ll do it again next season. Then one last season after that. The Rockets should be able to parlay all of these assets into future picks at some point. Annnnd if they find themselves a top 5 team could stretch a run of success for many years using those said future picks to get cheap talent to insert into the lineup. It would almost be the opposite of the Morey years in a way.
I liked Morey, but I am enjoying building through the draft also. You get the players on the way up, not on the way down...
Daryl was otherwordly... He was charged with a seemingly impossible task. Reload, no rebuild...and, win. The NBA had to take at least one title away from us, while going against one of the most stacked dynasties of all time. So, DM the GM was awesome....and a rousing success. A rebuild is a broad venture with a certain margin of error...So far, Stone/Eli have been damn good. A great coach, and sweet core of talent, with a load of assets providing flexibiility to get there. They have a great eye for talent. Now, let's see how the crucial consolidation deals/moves for veteran studs are handled.
Shead, Dillingham, Kolek (and Sears but he returned to school) have shorter WS in this class Monta Ellis, Eric Maynor, Jordan Bone, Melo Trimble the same or worse than RS.
