What do u think will happen to the republican party if they lose again in 2024?

No. The House hasn't expanded since 1913

 

As I said, a split EC is better but still very problematic.

Waiting for the ideal solution is not pragmatic, and I'm all for pragmatic solutions. The ideal is a simple majority. Amendments are hard but not impossible.

 

Its ideal until your team starts losing elections. The winner-takes-all is still not a terrible system as its BLATENTLY obvious neither side holds a majority for long.

And as I said, there is no serious movement to change it outside of the losers who go create a wiki page.

And don't get me wrong, the losers on the right would be doing the same thing.

 

The Constitution mandates proportional representation, but leaving it to Congress to decide the representative-to-people ratio. Congress officially capped the number of representatives in 1929, and this decision has not been successfully challenged. It should be challenged again, and again until it's overturned or moot. Historically, the average number of people per representative has increased from ~37k at the start, to ~280k right before the cap, and now ~770k per representative. We are moving further away from the House being a closer representative of the people as the population grows.

 

This is quite rich coming from someone who prioritizes government reform and actions, particularly targeting corruption among politicians, as a high priority but simultaneously opposes the recent guilty felony verdict that Trump just received. Anyhow, you clearly can't help but inject your partisan politics into a legitimate discussion. SMH.

 

I am fine with just expanding the Hkuse as it was done throughout history until 1913. All it would take is a Congressional vote

 

You make it sounds like getting anything through Congress is easy

I want to see both the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact become effective and the expansion of the House. Both are doable.

 

I don't oppose the trump convictions. I think its silly and pointless to brag nonstop over 11 consecutive journal entries entered in a fraudulent manner. This might or might not be a news flash, but Trump has done much much worse things and should be held accountable like the rest of the corrupt politicians out there, including the sitting president. But hey! 34 felonies later and not a single world problem has been solved. Imagine hanging your partisan hopes on the 34 felonies slogan for the next 5 years.

Its not like he lied to the entire world, told them certain safety practices should follow when grade school science says otherwise, resulting in countless deaths.

But I am the partisan....

 

In my opinion . .. there will definitely be another Jan 6th . . . if not worse
Probably multiples around the country

There are still people in the Cult of Reagan
Some think Trump is to Reagan what Jesus is to God

Rocket River

 

Haven't you heard
The Founder were infallable GODS in human form

WOW! Great Info

Rocket River

 

"I am not defending trump, I am just repeating trump defenses as my own." "I am not saying trump isn't corrupt, I am just saying there are corrupt Democrats that should be punished."

"After all, trump never lied about Covid and caused countless people to die..."

"But I am not partisan despite my support of trump and every other republican..."

 

Back to the question at hand, I don't think it's possible for the GOP to "moderate" if Trump loses again. He is a manifestation of the base's id. The party thought it could moderate after 2012 and instead moved to over a decade of Donald Trump dominating it.

Most of their voters, as evidenced by the rot posted here every day, are too far down a rabbit hole of conspiracy and grievance to ever come back to "the middle" politically. They have no interest in solving problems and instead prefer to burn everything down.

Because of structural inefficiencies in our system that founders could not have envisioned (in fact, they could not have envisioned that places like Hawaii and Alaska even existed) the GOP does not have to moderate. They can keep winning two senate seats in states that have a total population less than the greater Houston area and hope to eek out electoral college wins whereupon they can entrench their minority view in the judiciary.

They have every incentive to radicalize further.

 

2028 will see an Election with No Trump and No McConnell
The question is who will be there
DeSantis? MTG?????

Rocket River

 

Trump will definitely run in 2028 if he loses. I have no idea why people think otherwise.

 

Briefly on the Electoral College: I used to favor its preservation as a building block of divided government. I've made long posts on this bbs defending it. But, I've totally changed my mind. The reason is that recently Republicans have started to think of ways to apply the concept of the EC in more ways to proliferate its undemocratic effects. Like the recent Texas Republican Convention straw poll of deciding Texas state-wide elections not by popular vote but by a majority of Texas counties. I see now that any formula that isn't one-voter-one-vote is vulnerable to abuse. I want to be rid of the Electoral College and all the Districts for the House of Representatives. I would leave only the equal representation of the states in the Senate. We can put the EC up there with all the other many mistakes concocted by the founding fathers in our constitution. Smart men, but we can't expect them to get everything right, in a live-beta no less.

I think you're right. Both parties will have to tap some new blood in 2028, but that doesn't mean the Republicans go back to "normal." The party of Reagan is gone forever. Social and economic conservativism are not planks of the modern party. I'd say its core identifying feature is nativism and anti-institutionalism, and it has a strong fascism streak (defining that here as a preference for an elected singular strong leader who has authority over everyone else in government). Because of the emphasis on a singular leader, they'll be a bit lost until they find that personality to rally around. Good chance there will be a few false prophets before they find someone who can unite the party.

Democrats look to be more stable, but instability in the Republican party might shift the Democrats. Progressives who share MAGA's disdain for liberal ideals of divided government, etc might switch over to support a populist. Homeless Reagan Republicans might coalesce in the Democratic party as the new champion of liberal democracy and steer their candidates toward less progressive goals.

But, you know predicting the future is incredibly hard. I'm sure that what I expect to happen is the thing that definitely will not be happening.

 

i think the founders believed the general population was too simple minded and didnt understand governance.

this would actually be a good compromise b/t the EC and actual popular vote.

its been said before, but ill point out again that democrats have won 7 of the last 8 elections by popular vote. right-wingers always talk about things being "shoved down our throats", but we have decisions made by politicians and the supreme court that a clear majority of the country is against. the majority of the country believes in abortion rights. the majority of the country believes victims or rape should be able to get an abortion. the vast majority wants universal background checks and gun licensing/registration and a ban on assault weapons. but right-wingers keep "shoving down our throats" things like total abortion bans and elimination of any gun restrictions.

 

yup. he will control the GOP until he is dead and even then they wiil still probably nominate him.

trump 2028 - "were gonna need more diapers"

 

Quoted because it's the TRUTH.

 

space ghost talked about not wanting the big cities with large populations having too much control over political decisions, but right now we have the opposite where small rural, low-population areas have disproportionate control over political decisions. again, right-wingers always talk about having things "shoved down our throats"...but theyre the ones "shoving down our throats" policies that the majority are against.

and texas republicans want to set up an electoral college-type system where you have to win the majority of counties in texas. so harris county (pop roughly 5 million) would have the same amount of electoral power as rockwall county (pop roughly 123,000).

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/25/texas-republican-party-convention-platform/

Proposed Texas GOP platform calls for the Bible in schools, electoral changes that would lock Democrats out of statewide office
The platform was voted on Saturday, with tallies expected next week. Other planks call abortion homicide and gender-transition care “child abuse.”

Republican Party of Texas delegates voted Saturday on a platform that called for new laws to require the Bible to be taught in public schools and a constitutional amendment that would require statewide elected leaders to win the popular vote in a majority of Texas counties.

Other proposed planks of the 50-page platform included proclamations that “abortion is not healthcare it is homicide”; that gender-transition treatment for children is “child abuse”; calls to reverse recent name changes to military bases and “publicly honor the southern heroes”; support for declaring gold and silver as legal tender; and demands that the U.S. government disclose “all pertinent information and knowledge” of UFOs.

The party hopes to finalize its platform on Wednesday, after Saturday’s votes on each proposal are tabulated.

Passed by delegates at the party’s biennial convention, the platform has traditionally been seen not as a definitive list of Republican stances, but a compromise document that represents the interests of the party’s various business, activist and social conservative factions. But in recent years — and amid a party civil war that’s pushed it further right — the platform has been increasingly used as a basis for censuring Republican officeholders who the party’s far right has attacked as insufficiently conservative, including Texas House Speaker Dade Phelan, R-Beaumont, and U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzalez, R-San Antonio.

As the party has drifted further right, its platform has done the same. In 2022, it called for a referendum on Texas secession; resistance to the “Great Reset,” a conspiracy theory that claims global elites are using environmental and social policies to enslave the world’s population; proclamations that homosexuality is an “abnormal lifestyle choice”; and a declaration that President Joe Biden was not legitimately elected.

Many of those planks were also included in this year’s platform, which was debated late into Friday night and presented for a vote Saturday afternoon.

One proposal asserts that illegal immigration is the “greatest threat to American security and sovereignty” and calls for the state and federal governments to devote all available resources to deporting undocumented immigrants.

Perhaps the most consequential plank calls for a constitutional amendment to require that candidates for statewide office carry a majority of Texas’ 254 counties to win an election, a model similar to the U.S. electoral college.

 

You're right about one loser in particular.

President Trump Reaffirms his longstanding oppositon to the Electoral College