Right. You just want to see Trump in prison/convicted no matter what. You don't care about anything else. Again, Al Capone was not particularly political afaik and not pursued because of his political affiliations afaik. The comparison is absolutely dreadful.
If you would like to make the case Al Capone was pursued by partisan prosecutors based on politics I'm happy to hear it.
I respect your opinion, and honestly envious of your conviction...I wish I was as certain as you of all that has been said about Trump was true. It would be a lot easier going to the voting booth this year. I guess it will all come to fruition at some point, and we will deal with the favorable outcome...hopefully! Be well
I think it's true that a lot of people do not like him. Is it also obvious that the guy plays fast and loose with the laws of the land, from paying his debts, including taxes, to the very idea of telling the truth. You seem to think that Occam's razor shows people are out to get him. But maybe Occam's razor says the guy is pretty dirty. That's an even simpler explanation actually. Instead of a whole mob of angry people, including former colleagues of his, out to get him because he's just loud and obnoxious, maybe he's wronged a lot of people and is on the wrong side of many laws. Right? Like... maybe he did molest all those women who claim that he did... or even half of them. He even called his shot, saying he can get away with molesting them, doing "whatever" he wants. And maybe he did break the law with classified documents and then told people to lie about them. We'll never know the full story about that one b/c he definitely has a political judge overseeing that case, one he hand-picked. And he definitely did encourage political officials in Georgia to "find" him extra votes. He definitely wanted his VP to forego his duty to certify a valid national election. And he definitely lied continuously (and continues to lie) about the 2020 election. And to keep going. He definitely did try to run a fake, fraudulent "university." His family charity was found to be fraudulent, and it was shut down. Maybe it's not because people "hate" him or because he's just "obnoxious." While those things may be true, maybe the guy is doing things well beyond having a bad personality. Maybe he doesn't respect other people or any law that strikes him as inconvenient. That seems to fit all the available data from his entire long life.
Maybe he is being pursued because Letitia James is a Democrat and ran for office on the platform of pursuing him and Trump is a deeply unpopular Republican politician many Democrats would love to see suffer? ? Maybe he is being pursued on "novel legal theories" because Alvin Bragg is a Democrat in a deeply blue county and Trump is a deeply unpopular Republican politician many Democrats would love to see suffer? Or are those things just coincidences?
It's an easy choice for me, and I have voted both Democrat and Republican. It boils down to voting for a compulsive lying sociopath for me vs another politician. There are no ifs on at least 30,000 fact checked lies over Trump's last term alone. It's easy to look them up, and it's just as easy to see that this habit continues at every speech, rally, and Truth Social tweet. People fact check the lies continuously. Former colleges, employees, and associates have even called out his lies. When lying becomes a daily habit, and is done more frequently than the ave person eats or goes to the bathroom each week, then it's a sickness. It's sociopathic. It can't be controlled. I won't vote for someone incapable of telling the truth.
But that's my point. Just because you have motivated prosecutors looking for what they can charge you with doesn't mean they are motivated by any political animus. More likely, they hate seeing Trump thumbing his nose at the law and daring someone to stop him.
And yet you are heavily defended one…. And have the audacity to claim this could happen to “anyone”. Trump is the textbook case of elitism…. Born rich, uses the legal system to be a crook, and avoids prosecution due to money and connections. But you now support him because you are Trump supporter politically… it’s clear as day. Lol… as if Trump didn’t use the same tactic…. Against Biden and his son…. You are politically motivated so all these words are just hollow.
What I fond odd is when maga folks try and justify trump, they never talk about what he did, just how people are reacting to what he did. The facts of the act are just glossed over and you attack the process. Oh well, not gonna waste time with folks who can't think for themselves and parrot the maga talking points. Good day sir
Seriously? Come on man. Did you hear any of the testimonies about what went down prior to and on January 6th? His own party members were outraged, disgusted, and brave enough to tell the truth. People who participated in the insurrection admitted they had been deceived, and admitted to the violence of that day, regretting believing Trump. Even those in the Proud Boys, and the police who were assaulted, beaten, and sprayed with bear spray and tazed spoke out. They testified about the intent to do harm, and the violence. They testified about how they believed Trump lost, and were incited to fight for our Democracy. What was political is that after all that happened, most of his party refused to impeach him or testify under oath. If Trump and his power hungry MAGA loyalists had just done the right thing, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Trump brought the crimes into politics on Jan 6rh. He brought the crimes into politics when he obstructed justice from returning boxes and boxes and boxes of highly classified documents he was hoarding. He brought this into politics by having our nation's top secrets spread around his home where he entertained foreign leaders, friends, and family who had no authority to see or access the documents. When you screw with people's votes, put people's lives in danger during a coup and insurrection, or risk our national security you should never be ignored, given a little "don't do that again" or treated with kid gloves. These were serious crimes.
You missed the part where he said “justice wrought”… It’s clear to any sensible person that Trump is an elitist who uses that power to avoid accountability.
You don't believe Letitia James, whose political platform/election campaign was at least partially based on pursuing Trump wasn't politically motivated? You don't believe Alvin Bragg's prosecution was motivated by his politics or the politics of his county?
You are focusing on just this case, and I'm talking about all kinds of sources of smoke for Trump. But that's totally fine, given this thread topic. I haven't followed this "hush money" trial like some have. The way some people loathe Trump can certainly have had an effect on the prosecution. I'm not claiming any coincidences. But what I'm saying is that you are kind of claiming coincidences if you think Trump is just a law-abiding guy who, just because he says obnoxious things, keeps getting all sorts of people coming after him. I think that's every bit as naive as saying there's zero political motivation in certain blue or red jurisdictions. But in the end, two things can be true, don't you think? Trump may have broken the law here (even relatively minor ones) and some people on the case can have a political bias and go into a case thinking Trump is a scumbag. (I mean, tons of people who've worked closely with him have come to that opinion, but whatever.) But further, we live in a hyper-political time, mainly b/c lots of people in cable news and social media make tons of money via making us politically angry. Given that, are we going to give the benefit of the doubt to any person in any official role? If we are supposed to give someone like Alito and Thomas the benefit of the doubt about their ability to put family bias aside and follow the law, do we owe the same to elected officials in blue counties?
Do you think all the Republican AGs that choose not to pursue indictments of Trump are not politically motivated? I think having a criminal president makes a very blurry line on what is 'political.' These prosecutors have constituencies with an interest in seeing Trump prosecuted and it motivates their votes. Ashley Moody, Florida's AG, probably sees the opposite in her own electorate. What does a "not political" choice regarding prosecution look like?
But I'm not claiming that. Given these hyper-partisan and political times, I think its even more important a Democratic prosecutor use good judgment and not pursue the most prominent political figure of the Republican party with a tenuous case presenting "novel legal theories" - those facts only lend themselves to the idea the prosecution is stretching the law to pursue a person they don't like politically. I'm happy to take it on a case-by-case basis.
I agree! Why is it ok for you, but not for others. If Trump wasn’t your preferred political candidate, we both know you wouldn’t care about any of this. You sure didn’t mind the Trump led GOP’s case against the Bidens
It's funny. I think people honestly mean well and see bias everywhere against Trump, but they can't ask themself about his own behavior. It would be like asking the entire NBA to not react negatively to the antics of Draymond Green. But that's not even severe enough.
Did the Trump DOJ indict the Biden(s) on anything? I know Hunter Biden has been indicted with charges associated with his failure to pay his income taxes. My understanding is the Biden DOJ is pursuing that at this time. Doesn't strike me as particularly politically motivated. Does it strike you that way?
