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Google confirms the leaked Search documents are real

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    This is my magnum opus in the series of the death of the internet themed threads.

    About 2,500 search API documents from Google has leaked, and Google has confirmed it is real. It does not mean you could use that information to make your own Google, but it does mean there is going to be a new arms race in SEO spam. Google was becoming unusable before, and there is little hope that this leak won't be weaponized to render the search giant to be fully useless.

    If you need some laughs, check out the Google Search AI fails:

    https://arstechnica.com/information...-give-false-misleading-and-dangerous-answers/

    https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/29/24167407/google-search-algorithm-documents-leak-confirmation

    Allegations from the leak include:

    In their early years, Google’s search team recognized a need for full clickstream data (every URL visited by a browser) for a large percent of web users to improve their search engine’s result quality.

    A system called “NavBoost” (cited by VP of Search, Pandu Nayak, in his DOJ case testimony) initially gathered data from Google’s Toolbar PageRank, and desire for more clickstream data served as the key motivation for creation of the Chrome browser (launched in 2008).

    NavBoost uses the number of searches for a given keyword to identify trending search demand, the number of clicks on a search result (I ran several experiments on this from 2013-2015), and long clicks versus short clicks (which I presented theories about in this 2015 video).

    Google utilizes cookie history, logged-in Chrome data, and pattern detection (referred to in the leak as “unsquashed” clicks versus “squashed” clicks) as effective means for fighting manual & automated click spam.

    NavBoost also scores queries for user intent. For example, certain thresholds of attention and clicks on videos or images will trigger video or image features for that query and related, NavBoost-associated queries.

    Google examines clicks and engagement on searches both during and after the main query (referred to as a “NavBoost query”). For instance, if many users search for “Rand Fishkin,” don’t find SparkToro, and immediately change their query to “SparkToro” and click SparkToro.com in the search result, SparkToro.com (and websites mentioning “SparkToro”) will receive a boost in the search results for the “Rand Fishkin” keyword.

    NavBoost’s data is used at the host level for evaluating a site’s overall quality (my anonymous source speculated that this could be what Google and SEOs called “Panda”). This evaluation can result in a boost or a demotion.
    Other minor factors such as penalties for domain names that exactly match unbranded search queries (e.g. mens-luxury-watches.com or milwaukee-homes-for-sale.net), a newer “BabyPanda” score, and spam signals are also considered during the quality evaluation process.

    NavBoost geo-fences click data, taking into account country and state/province levels, as well as mobile versus desktop usage. However, if Google lacks data for certain regions or user-agents, they may apply the process universally to the query results.

    During the Covid-19 pandemic, Google employed whitelists for websites that could appear high in the results for Covid-related searches

    Similarly, during democratic elections, Google employed whitelists for sites that should be shown (or demoted) for election-related information
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Who the **** are you?
     
  3. Ubiquitin

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  4. Buck Turgidson

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    Your "Magnum Opus" has way too much pink.

    Carry on.
     
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  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    There was a time I (and others in marketing/advertising) would have cared about SEO news like this. Those days are long gone IMO.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Is SEO Meaningless now?

    Rocket River
     
  7. Buck Turgidson

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    What does SEO mean?
     
  8. Ottomaton

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    Search
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    Optimization

    Its how you make your web page appear closer to the top of the list when you seach Google for specific terms.

    My wife does SEO and says it doesn't break Google, but just shows that Google never tells the truth when they talk about how their algorithm works. There are lots of things that SEO people have been doing for years to get results that Google has always sworn left and right that they dont use.

    It just proves you shouldn't trust a word Google excs have to say when talking about how their stuff works, but it doesnt appear to have any cheat codes to take over Google or anything like that, and its pretty much just a list of ingredients for baking the cake, but not the full recipe.
     
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  9. Ubiquitin

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    Not at all, it's still good for small local biz, but you cant scale any business fast with SEO. There are basic things everyone should be doing, but enterprise-level SEO is a slow-burn with no immediate or guaranteed results.

    You are at the mercy of the gods AND Google works hard to monetize the real-estate. Ranking 1st doesn't mean what it used to when 3 local service ads can show up above you + 3 google ads listings. You might even rank #1 only to have Google showcase your "rich snippet" - meaning people can fast-scan your content without even visiting your page. Google wants those eyeballs converting on google.com, not your website.

    I used to wake up in a COLDt sweat when Google would change the algorithm, now, I don't even keep up with it. Not worth it.

    PPC (not just via Google) allows you to generate business at the flip of a switch. It's a game of math. Google has also been proven guilty of manipulating CPC here, but again, it's math - the market regulates itself. If it became unprofitable people would stop using it. It only becomes unprofitable to those that fail the math game.

    SEO - no math. Just go to the Church of SEO, read the Bible of SEO and live by it, and MAYBE, somehow, you get to Heaven. GOOD LUCK
     
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    i've been using edge, most of the time in incognito for research. am i safe?
     
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    If p*rn is filmed in a forest, with no one around to hear it, does it make a sound ?
     
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    Trust me, nobody knows or cares who you are

     
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  15. Buck Turgidson

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    ...does jontro rub one out?
     
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    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    hehe definitely
     
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    Yep, there's always an audience for kink.
     

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