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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-802601

    IDF opens investigation into masked soldier’s threatening video calling for mutiny - report
    The video was also shared by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's son, Yair Netanyahu, on his Telegram account.

    A video surfaced on social media of a masked soldier calling for a rebellionagainst IDF Chief of Staff Herzi Halevi and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, according to reports by Israeli media.

    “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, this video is for you, we reservists do not intend to hand over the keys to any Palestinian Authority,” the masked soldier proclaimed.

    The IDF has since opened an investigation into the video, which was shared via Telegram by Yair Netanyahu, the Prime Minister’s son.

     
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    They literally have no plan for what happens next. Like literally none. Its one of the most incompetent wars in human history. The only people they have on their side are right wing morons in the West.
     
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    would hit
     
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    They got a point
    The PLO ain’t exactly the Mormons
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    The plan is revenge.

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    Dozens killed and wounded in Rafah, Hamas fires missiles at Tel Aviv for first time in months'
     
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    Yes but something has to happen after the revenge part. They don't want the PLO and the arab countries surrounding israel hate bibi and don't even consider him legitimate. We're seeing the most incompetent military campaign of our lifetime
     
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    Nothing will happen. History is written by the winners, and we have the collective longterm memory of a goldfish.
    I suspect some Israeli extremists will raze Al Aqsa before everything is said and done.
     
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    What do you think happens to Gaza afterwards? There's no plan by the Israelis
     
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    Gaza as it currently stands is mostly destroyed and in ruins. Tens of thousands dead. Hundreds of thousands starving.
    Hamas is still able to operate throughout Gaza, including in the bombed out North.
    But for regular Palestinians, it will be very challenging going forward and that is the goal of the Revisionist Zionists.

    tl;dr I have no real vision for what lays ahead for Gaza (or West Bank). Israel wants to maintain the status quo of no recognized Palestinian state, but no annexation of the Palestinian people either.

    What I hope happens is that people can firmly separate Zionism and Israel, especially Revisionist Zionism, from Judaism for the future. The actions of the Israeli government are not the actions of the global, diverse Jewish people, and the actions of the global, diverse Jewish people are not the actions of the now Israeli people.
     
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    why does this look like AI? It's not, but the lighting is off and it giving uncanny valley all the same.
     
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    I want to quit this thread and quit following this conflict. I need better hobbies than to doom scroll the news and **** post on here when I am not working.
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    Rafah, May 26, 2024. REUTERS/Reuters TV
    The Israeli military said the strikes, which hit an area for displaced people, took out a Hamas commander.
     
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    You need to watch better movies too. Kindgom of Heaven is ahistorical trash.
     
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    It's a good epic movie, it's just not a historical documentary. I have the roadhouse cut on bluray, and it's a lot better than the original movie.
    I enjoyed Ridley Scott's movies, even the last duel.

    edit: But you're not wrong. I should watch better movies too.
     
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    I don't need it to be a historical documentary.

    The film imposes 2005 Hollywood sensibilities on everything.

    Every Christian religious figure in the film is portrayed as absolute evil/cowardly/religious fanatic [village priest] [Patriach of Jerusalem] [The Knights Templar] except David Thewlis [who is portrayed as religiously indifferent]

    All the religious characters are evil basically.

    Every character portrayed in a positive light is religiously indifferent or has some sort of vague spirituality, they certainly aren't shown to have any strong Christian conviction [Orlando Bloom] [Liam Neeson] [Jeremy Irons] [Edward Norton]

    All the agnostic-ish characters are good guys.

    As if these crusaders would have been a bunch of religiously indifferent, "do whatever you want try and be a nice person" types. These were people willing to kill and suffer a martyrs death for their religious convictions. They would have been extremely devout Christians.

    Every Muslim portrayal is sensible and reasonably minded of course.

    The whole thing is ridiculous.
     
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    Israel should take it over
    It’s really their land
    Moses
     
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    This has been a criticism of the movie since it debut 19 years ago.
    Crusades Dramatization Draws Religious Criticism
    MAY 6, 200512:00 AM ET

    NEARY: Saladin is the Muslim leader who recaptured Jerusalem from the Christians. It is the events leading up to this battle which form the basic plot of "Kingdom of Heaven." In the film, a young knight named Balian, part historical figure, part pure fiction, is the main defender of the city against Saladin's forces.

    Professor JONATHAN PHILLIPS (London University): The biggest flaw is the fact that Balian of Ibelin, the hero of the thing, rejects Christianity. It's--a Crusader without his faith just is a non-starter in the 12th century.

    NEARY: Jonathan Phillips is a professor at London University and author of "The Fourth Crusade and the Sack of Constantinople."

    Prof. PHILLIPS: He's a man who's very much a sort of a chivalric knight, and chivalry is a sort of a combination of courtesy, of justice and morality. But in medieval terms, it also includes sort of vows and a religious elements, too, and Ridley Scott has again cut that away. To my mind, it's a very sort of modern secular view of a good knight and a good man.

    NEARY: Both Phillips and El-Fadl say a secular and modern perspective pervades the film and is perhaps nowhere more evident than in Balian's speech just before the Battle of Jerusalem. It is, they say, a speech that would have been impossible to make during the Crusades, when both sides were motivated by deeply held religious beliefs.

    Mr. ORLANDO BLOOM: (As Balian of Ibelin) Which is more holy, the wall, the mosque, the sepulchre? Who has claim? No one has claim. All have claim!

    NEARY: Director Ridley Scott says he never set out to make a film about the past which speaks to contemporary events.

    Mr. RIDLEY SCOTT (Director, "Kingdom of Heaven"): There is no connection, but if you want to look at the connection, i.e., then and now, of course there are equivalents and parallels.

    NEARY: The film, says Scott, is not a documentary, nor is it pure history. It is, he says, a fiction that is carefully interwoven with historical facts.

    Mr. SCOTT: When you have a shortfall of actual factual information, you try and look into--Who said `God is in the details'? You look into the details, and usually human behavior, because what we're actually doing is we've done a lot of research, a lot of what I'd call sensitive speculation in terms of what could have happened, what might have happened.

    NEARY: And, says Professor Paul Halsall, Scott is only doing what so many artists before him have always done when they take on history, no matter how charged the subject.

    Prof. HALSALL: Film is an art form like painting or photography or poetry. It's a way of--if it's about the past, it's a way of meditating on the past. It's not a way of presenting a textbook view of the past.

    NEARY: In so doing, says Halsall, Ridley Scott is participating in a long tradition. After all, he says, many in the West formed their own ideas about the Crusades not from history, but from fictional works like "The Talisman," written by Sir Walter Scott in the 19th century. Lynn Neary, NPR News, Washington.
     
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    the crusades were a good thing
    Christianity is the one religion that doesn’t make eating bbq pork ribs a sin
     

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