Exactly, my post was about people questioning if FVV + 3rd pick would be possible, i think it would take a lot more. The post was about the general theme of the thread so far about people who dont want to trade for him at all because hes got some horrible contract. My point was that we don't even know the price, so I would not dismiss it over his contract, because his contract is not an issue.
I would consider it at what some people were proposing which was FVV, 3rd pick, and throw in a bit more, just would be careful about trading any of the young core. I do not think it is possible to get him at what people are proposing and even denying in this thread, but I think you absolutely make the call if he is available. We have been fairly low risk for the past 5 years, once we are at a half decade of no playoffs, I would considering "increasing our risk profile" as Morey would say. Sometimes taking on a risk is the only way you can take that next step, the Mavs finally broke through by taking a risk on Kyrie. This is a guy who was not available, had tons of off court distractions, and they took a calculated risk on him and he is thriving and that could end up being a move that gets them a championship. We did the same w CP3, the trade to get him in houston was pretty good, and it seemed to be working out, his trade out is what cost us, but overall that was a good move to get him in Houston.
The contract is an issue because he averages less than 40 games per year. For me it would be a pass on that fact alone before you ever even get to what the trade cost would be. I wouldn’t want him if we could get him for a second round pick.
You would be miserable if they traded Alpi. You would have to join the Pelicans board to troll their fans.
I am fascinated by Zion but I would never give up anything substantial for him. To me highest risk, high reward in a short window type. There are players that are not built for the NBA, he is the poster boy of them.
I see what you are saying and agree that if you are moving Fred and the 3rd pick, that’s not the worst idea from a risk perspective but you still have to ask where those minutes are coming from. Jabari and Alpi both in theory play the same position as Zion so even though in this hypothetical you are retaining them as players, the positional redundancy is high and they might ask out because both of those guys are on the rise and this would hurt their value so it may still end up costing you more in the long run. …regarding Dallas, Luka was already that dude. They didn’t take a calculated risk - they made a desperation move because there was no other star they could afford after a series of poor moves(specifically the Porzingis move). Kyrie worts and all was the only way to improve their team. That they are potentially a Finals team now says more about Luka being one of the best ever than it does that they wouldn’t have been able to do it without Kyrie. ….again I get your point - Zion is a talent but there is a big difference when it comes to taking a risk on a guy who might think the world is flat, take time away from the team to go meditate on a Native American reservation, or retweet anti-Semitic theories than a guy who’s main skill is his athleticism yet as he ages he shows no commitment to his physical health and has been injury prone. It’s Shawn Kemp all over again.
G Oden was that dude as well, so was Roy and G Hill/TMac/Walton etc All guys you take a chance on, if you ignore their injury/avail history And that is what scares others away, especially if the team that drafted him to be their guy is shopping him this soon ...allegedly
Indeed MM No wonder noble Udoka leaned on the fluke scrub thru ups n downs, he played all 82 games By default he is Ime fav player (lowkey), which really has to be driving the anti club members forensic file insane to say the least
No he wasn't Greg Oden was never as good as Zion , comeon. It is ok to say....it is a risk, because it is.....but you don't win ANYTHING without risk... We don't have any guaranteed stars on our team not a SINGLE ONE - this guy is a SUPERSTAR player day one - you go get him, and if it costs 2 of your core -- so what, everyone on our team is replaceable..... DD
It is not really a risk if he is not really into basketball and it is an easy decision actually. He may collect his paycheck and show up in 60 regular season games but you would know that his heart is not with Basketball. The injuries are the risk but his lethargy concerning basketball is not a risk but something you don't want to see. It is that Off Switch that he turns on way too often.
That is something that none of us know or can speculate about - has he said, he doesn't love basketball? I mean the same could be said by the dreaded black nails Pirate - Baby Daddy Green! DD
I don’t see the extremely friendly aspect of his contract that is guaranteed through the 27-28 season at around 39m to start and escalates. This for a guy that has never played in more than 40 games. His contract is why they may be willing to trade him. Unlike, FVV, we would have no flexibility to get out of that contract if he gets hurt again next year. Nobody, is going to trade for him if it happens yet again.
Never was comparing them head to head, was speaking more so how Oden/B Roy had next like Zion and injuries derailed them which ran off teams Similar to Zion who is a beast when healthy..... Now post his games played vs. missed You don't trade two core pieces (healthy) for a superstar who may miss the entire season before training camp starts and he doesn't even seem to love the game (from afar) Why would Pels want to trade him if he is that dude? Because of injuries that are like the RKO They just come out of No-where But I respect your gambling mindframe, you have to take some home run swings, but not for annual injured players Zion may get out of bed and injure himself it seems, he is baby Oden on the injury front Giannis is who you give up two core pieces for, or even Embiid, who despite his injury history still has managed to be in MVP convo and win one Give me that, but even them I would pause because of his age and past n present injury struggles, which cost them again this season
Why you mad that Green getting more ill na na than you? The branding has ruined the love of the game for these players All distractions by design Getting paid millions to stay in top shape to do your professional job should be easy.....at least the Pirate Fluke has stayed in shape And rhe Pirate played 82 games like old school players past season that is some serious love/dedication right.... Coach DD?? On and off the court, the Pirate strikes back 23 game stretch (not 15) Pirate Fluke JG4 on deck..... for Love & Basketball (Green is Epps and his alleged BMs is S. Lathan)
Don't know s I am asking. Is there some way New Orleans could pick up say 1/2 his contract or something to make trading Zion easier . I think the current best example of what could happen is the Clippers disastrous long term commitment to the oft injured perpetually load limited Kawhi.
Don’t that is possible under the CBA. I guess they could send up some cash, but I’m not sure that is allowable to set off contract. Of course, if they had to pay half his salary they wouldn’t trade him anyway.
