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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. Nook

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    Disgusting weapons cutoff? LOL Okay Benji Shapiro...

    The man lives in his own lies on this topic.

    First, there already was a hostage deal brokered and Israel is the one that broke it off. Further, Benji has repeatedly said that Hamas cannot be trusted on any hostage deal - so that neutralizes that point completely.

    Second, Hamas does not think that Biden is on their side, according to extreme Zionists like Shapiro, anything short of the USA allowing Israel to run rough shod through the occupied territory with USA weapons means that the USA supports Hamas. What people like Shapiro never discuss is the 1 million displaced civilians in Rafah. Those are the people that the USA is interested in protecting. Further, the USA doesn't owe Israel unfettered access to their weapons.

    Third, "targeted munitions" are being cut off? Yeah - we are going to cut off OFFENSE weapons, for the purposes of saving and defending the 1.5 million civilians at risk in Rafah. The assumption by Shapiro is that Israel is going to do the offensive anyway - then the blood is on the hands of Bibi and the IDF and Israel and not the USA.

    Fourth, Biden inflamed Hezbollah? Know what inflamed and emboldened Hezbollah? Israel attacking people outside of Israel - oops too late. Shapiro is also the same idiot that said that Hezbollah took advantage of the siege on Gaza by the Israeli's to attack Israeli property and people. So it sounds like Shapiro thinks the actual siege into Gaza is what motivated Hezbollah - and that has nothing to do with the USA.

    Last, all of this will forestall Saudi normalization? Do you know what stalls normalized relations with your neighbors? WAR.

    This is all typical of the reaction I have read and heard from the extremist pro-Israeli side - they take ZERO responsibility for any of this and will go out of their way to blame anyone else - and they refuse to acknowledge their culpability in any of this.

    Ben Shapiro is a dishonest and biased *******.
     
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    Hahahaha victim blaming is when you talk truth. Answer my simple question. Has Israel been funding hamas for the past decade while keeping them in power??

    Yes or no???

    It's simple question
     
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    Yeah. Saying none of the other post was true and then posting Ben Shapiro to back it up was a laughable move.
     
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    Israel has been giving the government of Gaza developmental aid, and got a genocide by that government against Israeli civilians in response.
     
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    And you know who started the WAR? Hamas.

    The culpable party is Hamas, and the culpable ideology is Islamic extremism.
     
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  6. astros123

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    lolololol humanitarian aid. Israel never gave a **** about humanitarian aid. Their stated goal was to keep the Palestinians divided between fatah/hamas would destroy any prospect of a 2 state solution



    @Nook don't forget that it was bibi that wanted to empower hamas
     
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    Nah man. He is staying out of this one.
     
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    what in the world are you talking about. When did biden ever mention it was Israel's responsibility to protect American jews? Biden condemned the school protestors and said the police arrests were the right thing to do.

    What in the world are you taking about
     
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    LMAO!
     
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    I like Romney and all, but he is lying or has forgotten history. The US acts in its own interest first and foremost, and if that means pausing weapons delivery, they should absolutely do that. Take a lesson from U.S. history.

    REAGAN DELAYS JETS TO ISRAEL; U.S. AND 6 ALLIES URGE ALL SIDE IN MIDDLEAST TO CEASE REPRISALS - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
    1981

    President Reagan today put off indefinitely the delivery of two shipments of American jet fighter-bombers to Israel because of the ''escalating level of violence'' in the Middle East.

    The President's decision, made to reinforce efforts to achieve a cease-fire, involved the deferral of the delivery of six F-16 fighter-bombers that had been scheduled to take off shortly after midnight from an Air Force base in New Hampshire. The United States also continued to hold up four other F-16's that were delayed after Israel's air attack on an Iraqi nuclear reactor June 7.



    REAGAN TO BLOCK F-16'S TILL ISRAEL LEAVES LEBANON; Transcript of speech, page A8. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
    1983

    President Reagan said today that until Israel withdraws its forces from Lebanon, he will not permit the transfer of some 75 F-16 fighter jets that have been held up since last summer.

    ''We are forbidden by law to release those planes,'' Mr. Reagan said. He implied, but did not state explicitly, that Israel had violated the terms of an arms supply agreement with the United States stating that American military equipment can be used only for defensive purposes.
     
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    Does Saudi Arabia have a red line? Their main goal has been nuclear technology and arms. They have been pursuing that and did acquire some under Trump. Biden paused the arms deal. They have been negotiating with the Biden Administration to get a treaty in place that would allow arms delivery (once it's a treaty signed off by Congress, future POTUS can pause it without Congressional action) and the US helping them build nuclear power plants for domestic power. That was the bargain before 10/7: Saudi Arabia normalized relations with Israel, Israel/Saudi/US partner against Iran, Israel enjoys diplomatic and economic ties with the Arab world. They are still pursuing that bargain, but now the price is higher on the Israeli side - it will now need a Palestinian state.

    If they can't get that, they will still want what they got when Trump was POTUS. The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia will quickly forget the red line, if there was ever one, once Trump gives them all of that for free (or for a fraction of the price - just personal returns to Trump and his family).
     
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    I am struggle bussing to post that podcast. This bbs does weird things with media links.
     
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    You hear about the gag order with Candace Owen’s after publically acting like he wanted to debate her on this?

    The daily wire really doesn’t believe he can debate her lmao
     
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  18. Nook

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    He is an overrated debater, he just speaks quickly, acts smug and thinks that carries the day in debates.
     
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    There's so many folks who don't grasp what the saudis want. They want the liv/PGA merger to proceed which is being blocked by biden. Saudis want to transform the country into some sports hub which is why they're throwing money at retired soccer stars to boost their local league.

    Biden is the only thing stopping the saudis from buying out the PGA. They don't care for Palestine or Muslims
     
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    "But but but hamas made them destroy neighborhoods in the west bank where there is no hamas!!!"

    Scumbags. This is what your people support @LosPollosHermanos
     

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