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Praying for Armageddon: Evangelicals, the US and the Middle East

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Apr 29, 2024.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Ah yes.. Not enough to have conflict between religions but lest revive denominational conflicts.
     
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  2. Ubiquitin

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    The 30 Years War is back, baby!
     
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  3. DFWRocket

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    I'm not a Catholic, nor do I believe Priests have the authority to redeem you of your sins. However, here's where Catholicism gets is sacrament of forgiveness of sins through confession:

    John 20: 21-23

    21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.
     
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    Yes and No. I agree with your overall sentiment. But I'd like to clarify one thing. To justify their support for Israel, many Evangelicals are now teaching that the Jewish are "God's Chosen People" and will be going to Heaven regardless of belief in Christ. This view is supported and taught by prominent end-times theologians like John Hagee, Jonathan Cahn, Jimmy Evans, etc. It's a way to help them feel better about supporting someone who is not a Christian.
     
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  5. mtbrays

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    Interesting! I, admittedly, tuned these people out long ago but that's a new tact.
     
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    Jews ARE God's "chosen people" and ALL people will be with God in his kingdom. I can provide the scriptures but you probably wouldn't accept their validity.
     
  7. K9Texan

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    It's erroneous to assume that all Christians share the exact same theology.
     
  8. K9Texan

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    The Catholic Church believes in "Apostolic succession", meaning that authority that was given to Peter carries on through to all priests within the church.

    FWIW, I don't share their belief.
     
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    We live in a world of deception and division. In a sense we all march to a different drummer, so to speak. God allows us to be lost from him for a time. It's all part of his plan.
     
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    Are Baptists and Catholics warring in the streets. Do you believe it's accurate to characterize differing theological positions as "conflict"?
     
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    Presently no. But have you ever heard of the IRA?
     
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    No idea, but I've had some fun wars with some catholics in the sheets
     
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    The IRA was actually a secular organization and was political in nature.
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Not yet but historically there has been a lot of conflict and distrust of Catholics.

    You’re free to believe what you want to believe and I would even defend your right to your religious beliefs. Pushing your religious beliefs though into politics I fins to be more dangerous and divisive.
     
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    Perhaps I should specified Catholic vs Protestnt in Ireland. Yes there is more to it than that. Now Israel. let's leave the Jews out of the equation. Let's exchange Jews for Shia Muslims. Had the Shia Muslims done the same exact thing the Jews did, do you believe the Sunni Muslims (Palestinians) would be having the same type of reactions they have had since 1948?
     
  16. Ubiquitin

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    Almost certainly.

    Sunnis haaaate Shias.
     
  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Do you mean having a Shia state and suppressing Sunnis?

    That’s already happening in Iran and did happen in post Saddam Iraq.
     
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    Iran is now a Shia majority country because the Safavids forced them all to convert in the 1600s. Iraq is a mixed country and was ruled by Saddam and his pan-Arabists who hated the Shia and the Kurds but it’s not the way today.

    It would be like if over a 30 year period a bunch of Shia from Syria and Lebanon (and eventually Iraq, Iran, Yemen, and Pakistan) moved into Constantinople and decided to declare it a Shia caliphate. The Sunni Turks wouldn’t stand for it at all.
     
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    Newbs don’t know about Shia vs Sunni
    @rocketsjudoka
    @basso

    they don’t know about autobots vs decepticons
    And rockets va jazz

    non contributing members are usually not that smart
    Especially Lin fans
     
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    To an extent. Not just suppressing. Moving them out of their homes. Taking over the land they have had for 1000 years. Take the same EXACT situation and exchange Jews for Shias. I would argue, wrongly or rightly, a lot of this has to do with the actions, not the religion of the people taking those actions. Had Christians or Shias done the same exact the Jews have done, we would have close to the same situation. Now I am not arguing for or against Jewish actions, but I am saying It is an Israeli issue. Those same exact Israeli people could have been Christian, Shia, Hindu, whatever.
     
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