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I absolutely HATE sports betting it is a plague and should be banned

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by SamFisher, Apr 11, 2024.

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  1. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

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    You can do something about match fixing but the thing you really want to fix was mobile gambling right?

    This is likely the tricky part as mobile games incl. mobile betting are trending.

    In Austria for example, sports betting would not even be viewed as gambling but merely a skill competition.

    https://www.playsponsible.at/en/gambling-and-responsibility/corporate-governance-no-exception-from-the-rules/legal-framework#:~:text=Sports betting is not a,regulated separately in each province.

     
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  2. TDRocketsFan

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    Sports betting can actually be quite intriguing if you approach it with a strategic mindset. Analyzing players, their performances, and team dynamics can help you make informed decisions rather than relying solely on luck or intuition.
     
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  3. Rocket River

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    It's crazy because the other things you have to take into consideration
    1. Who the Refs
    2. what's the narrative
    3. who the soupastars
    4. Who Silver wants to win for the best for the league

    Rocket River
     
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  4. sulicon

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    Engaging in sports betting can be fascinating when approached strategically. Analyzing players, their performances, and team dynamics empowers you to make informed decisions, shifting away from mere reliance on luck or intuition.


    Moreover, with careful research and analysis, sports betting can even become a source of additional income. However, it's crucial to ensure that you're betting on verified and reputable sites to avoid any potential scams or fraudulent activities. So you can check out Sports Toto site verification for more information.
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    Honestly this post reads llike sponsored content from some gambling PR flack.

    Modern sports betting isn't like making "strategic decisions" like you're some WWII general.

    it's based on emotional manipulation & dopamien delivered via your phone until your bank account is empty - it's lliterally designed to maximize that kind of engagement like most digital platforms.

    This is where it's headed:

    https://defector.com/sports-is-betting-it-all-on-gambling

    There is a way to make money, or at least not lose money, gambling on sports, and people who do it. That work involves crunching numbers, diversifying risk, seeking out small inefficiencies; it is, more or less, a job. A friend I spoke to for the story made a bunch of money betting the under on steals for various defense-deficient NBA guards. It’s not glamorous, it’s not juicy, it provides no mondo paydays. It’s barely fun at all. Again: it’s work.

    Sports gambling apps do not want people to gamble like that. What they want bettors to do is put money on parlays. Apps push them in that direction constantly, even offering “no-risk parlays” to whet a prospective gambler’s appetite for the harder stuff. When I mentioned slot machine gambling to Dr. Fong, he immediately mentioned the same-game parlay. It’s an inevitable winner for casinos that also looks and feels good for the casual gambler.

    In Addiction by Design, Schüll talks to slot machine designers about the process of making an effective slot machine. (They’re all from Australia, for some reason.) They tell her that it’s mostly a matter of feeling—finding a way to build in enough winning to maintain hope in the player, but also enough losing to make it profitable for the casino. It’s pretty nauseating; reading about otherwise sane people succumbing to sophisticated Skinner Boxes is dispiriting, and terrifying.

    Here is one way that could all look: You watch a game with the app open. It gives you a personalized stream of quick, ever-changing, algorithmically generated bets. It also tracks what you will bet on and what you won’t, and then adjusts to create something akin to a personalized slot machine; the idea is to create an experience that feels good to you. If you are even a little bit inclined toward problem gambling, this will bury itself deep, and it will take your money; it will all be, as it currently is in 30 states, legal. And you can play like this until the government or a medical professional intervenes, or doesn’t. Everyone with any skin in the game—every business interest that sees its fans as a renewable resource—wants that to exist.

    Whatever form the product takes, there is clarity in the near future. The sports and internet sportsbook industries are determined to cultivate and profit not just from gambling but from gambling addictions; that’s where the money is. Sooner or later, if history is any guide, society will come to regard this as a public health concern. The clamps will come out and there will be some attempt to regulate the space into something approaching responsibility. Whenever it happens, it will be too late for a lot of people. How the sports industry will react when its dream of the new cigarette is extinguished seems, in contrast, kind of insignificant.​
     
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  6. Mr. Dominant

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    Sports betting and rigging is all the same, but because of betting there is rigging and that has ruined the game so much. We’ve been on the end of that with the Rockets multiple times.
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    This is pretty much what I mentioned earlier- the leagues get in bed with gamblers who literally try to hook people as children with exhortations to gamble, gamble, gamble.

    Leagues don't GAF about the fact that gambling especially online has a lot of negative consequences for people, ranging from bad to ruinous.

    The leagues are made up of people who are exposed to this league-endorsed exhortation to gamble gamble gamble, and liek Johntay Porter, experience consequences that are bad to ruinous.

    Leagues get shocked - SHOCKED - there is gambling in the casino when these same people gamble.

    You can't have it both ways. The fixation on constant revene growth forever exponentially that has afflicted C-suite brains across our country - based on largely one-off and really only borderline legal monopolistic land grabs that the tech industry has gotten away with in recent decades - is partially to blame here.

    https://defector.com/how-the-fix-gets-in-jontay-porter

    The leagues have introduced gambling into the everyday existence of everyone within their purview, from fans on up, and yet demand that their players be impervious to their own messaging. Porter is the thin edge of a potentially disastrous wedge, but the owners have factored in the opinions of fans re: game fixing in their own gambling—throwing down on any potential damage to the reputation of their product in exchange for that sweet sweet DraftKings money.

    Just like everybody else in sport, as it turns out. The only question is what damage an actual result-fixing scandal would do, and we've already had examples of that in college sports with no noticeable effect. Maybe we're all prepared to rationalize thrown games as the price of other people doing business because we've swallowed every other indignity with a shrug and a new streaming subscription.

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  8. TDRocketsFan

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    Sports betting can be frustrating, especially when it feels like it’s everywhere and causing more harm than good. I used to place bets on sports too, but over time, I started to feel like it was more stressful than fun. The constant ups and downs and the pressure to keep up with every game just wasn’t for me.

    I ended up switching to online casinos instead. They’re more straightforward, and I can enjoy them at my own pace without worrying about real-life game outcomes. I usually play on tomslot88 because it’s simple and has a good variety of games that keep things interesting. It’s been a much more relaxing way to enjoy some casual gaming, without the stress that came with sports betting.
     
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  9. Marshall Bryant

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    The only winning move is to walk away.
     
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  10. GermanRakete

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    There is a current report in Germany about betting-related match-fixing, but not in the upper leagues. More in the less supervised lower leagues. I'm talking 5th to 6th tier here, maybe comparable to Div III College Sports in the US (an academic guess, others may correct me). The handlers don't sit in (Western)-Europe either - they sit either in Eastern Europe or in asia.

    And it is difficult to prove - I mean, how can you prove that your crap village-team goalkeeper deliberately let a shot slip between his arms?

    The Bundesliga (the highest "soccer"-league in Germany) hat its own Donaghy scandal though: Robert Hoyzer. Two years in jail for match-fixing German referee | Football | The Guardian

    It has been 20 years ago, but the talk is that a LOT has been kept under the rug. Felix Zwayer, germany actual top-referee, was actually vindicted at that time for taking like 300 Euros to fix a lower league game - the thing is, it hasn't been proven that he actually fixed that game. He was suspended for a laughing 6 months at that time, afterwards able to continue his ref-career until reaching the highest level possible.
     
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  12. SamFisher

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    I don't think it was ever explicitly allowed but now that it's disallowed - lol their employers still own their own sports books like ESPN Bet etc.
     
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    If you keep yourself really busy with something totally different, alas, you wouldn't have time considering sports betting.

    Following basketball becomes an issue.
     
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    You have found something for yourself.

     
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  15. BMoney

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    I agree with you, Sam. Everything in moderation, but the things that offer the biggest rewards, or biggest highs have the most danger lurking there. Gambling causes more bad than good. Nothing good will come out of the sports world fully embracing this world.
     
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    I completely agree. I have a buddy who is hooked on it. Way to easy to sign up on your phone and bet on which team is going to score the next basket, etc. instead of the old fashioned “hey what’s the spread? I’ll put $100 on Miami.” There are micro-transactions within micro-transactions now.

    I’m not totally opposed to sports gambling any more than blackjack, slots or roulette…but you should have to physically drive to a casino to wager anything imo. Adds an extra layer of effort. There will still be addicts but they can’t blow anything from the comfort of their couch at least.
     
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    Espn home page...right up at the top next to ESPN+ is a clickie link for ESPN BET
     
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  18. Hank McDowell

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    When it comes to sports betting, you're NEVER as smart as you think you are. You'll get lucky some, and you'll win some, but winning enough to be profitable long term is incredibly freaking hard to do. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

    But it is a LOT of fun!
     
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  19. Marshall Bryant

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    Rule number 1 - Just walk away.
     
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    You play cards or craps?
     
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