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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Dark Rhino, Sep 12, 2004.

  1. Dark Rhino

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    Some interesting changes for the original trilogy. An excerpt from DVD review - possible spoiler material included.


    As you may have heard, a number of new digital changes have been made to the Star Wars films for this DVD release. As with the 1997 special edition, A New Hope has received the majority of the attention. Many shots have been altered in very subtle ways, which only the most zealous fans will notice. There are, however, a number of more major changes. In A New Hope, these include a revised opening shot as Luke's landspeeder enters Mos Eisley Spaceport (the speeder model is more detailed and moves more naturally), an improved version of the Han/Greedo fight (Greedo still shoots first, but only just - the blasts are much closer together and Han's movement is smoother), a new CG model of Jabba the Hutt (it's a revised version of the Episode I model of the character and is much improved) and re-rotoscoped lightsaber blades throughout the film (blade color is more pronounced and the animation is more like the prequel films). Personally, I quite like most of these changes. The Han/Greedo fight is still less than perfect, but it does look more natural. Han's head doesn't jerk like it did before - instead his whole upper body shifts over slightly. And the blaster shots are VERY close together now, so the encounter is not as implausible as it was in 1997. I still wish George would just let Han shoot first as he did originally in 1977, but I can at least stomach watching this scene now.

    The digital changes to Empire for this DVD release are fewer than they are in A New Hope. In fact, there are only three major changes. These include the use of Temuera Morrison as the voice of Boba Fett (which I suppose makes sense given that Boba is a clone of Jango from Episode II), the elimination of Luke's scream when he jumps to escape Vader on Cloud City (which had been a source of much debate among fans - why would he scream if he were jumping willingly?), and the use of actor Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor (replacing the old woman and voice actor Clive Revill who played the character originally). I should note that the Emperor alteration also involves a change in the scene's dialogue - one that is at first confusing. The Emperor now tells Vader that he has no doubt "the young rebel who destroyed the Death Star" is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker, to which Vader replies "How is that possible?" That doesn't seem to make sense, because we know that Vader is aware of who Luke is from dialogue earlier in the film ("That's it. The Rebels are there. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them."). I suspect, however, that we'll find out in Episode III that Anakin DOES learn of Luke's existence as an infant, and he hides this knowledge from the Emperor. What that would mean is that Vader's been waiting all these years to find Luke as an adult and turn him to the Dark Side so that they can overthrow the Emperor together - a plot Vader ultimately confesses to Luke at the end of Empire. We'll have to wait for Episode III to see how this new bit of dialogue fits in.

    As with Empire, are three major digital changes to Jedi, all of which appear at the end of the film. When Luke removes Vader's mask to reveal his father's face, the eyebrows of actor Sebastian Shaw have been erased (presumably because Anakin's face will be badly burned in Episode III). Then, after the second Death Star is destroyed, when the film cuts to the various celebrations around the galaxy, Naboo is now included among the planets we see. Finally (and this is a big one), when the Force ghosts of Ben, Yoda and Anakin appear to Luke at the very end of the film, actor Sebastian Shaw has been replaced with Hayden Christensen (as he'll appear in Episode III). That's going to piss off a lot of fans, but it makes sense. Lucas' rational (as he actually explains briefly in the audio commentary - a rare instance where he comments on a change) is that when Vader joins the Force, he's able to retain his original identity as he was when he died as Anakin Skywalker (in Episode III). Since Yoda and Ben retained their good identities until they were old, that's how their Force ghosts appear. Yeah, maybe it's a stretch... but within the logic of the universe, it does make sense. Like it or not. There are also a couple minor changes - the shot of Coruscant now includes the Galactic Senate and Jedi Temple on the horizon (as seen in Episodes I & II). And for some reason, Luke and Darth's lightsaber blades now appear a little dimmer in a select few shots during their fight (particularly at the very beginning). Don't ask me why.

    Ultimately, I've accepted that Lucas is entitled to change these films until he's happy with them. The fact is, he's been changing them since 1977 (for example, right after the first film was released and became a hit, Lucas quickly went back in and added the Episode IV - A New Hope tag). These new CG alterations are simply the logical continuation of his desire to overcome the technical challenges he faced when he originally made the films. I have to tell you, I'm as surprised as anyone to find myself actually appreciating most of these changes. With the sole exception of the Han/Greedo scene (which still bothers me, although less now than as it was in 1997), I think all of the changes are either genuine improvements or simply make sense given the ties to the prequel films. I still think Lucas has a responsibility to save the original versions of these films out of respect for the fans who have supported them all these years, the artists who creatively invested themselves in the original work, and as a way to remind us all just how far the films have come since they were first released. And I still have hope that we'll see those original versions released on disc... eventually... in a more elaborate box set of the entire saga. But more on that later.



    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviews3/starwarstrilogy.html
     
  2. m_cable

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    Changing it to "Greedo shooting first" was absolutely weak. There's no way around it. And I'm kind of on the fence about this whole Hayden Christensen at the end of ROTJ thing. I don't hate him with a passion like some fans do, but I'm not that wild about his presence either. I'm looking forward to Episode III. It's got all the makings of a grand bittersweet spectacle.
     
  3. Dark Rhino

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    Hmm, interesting. Jabba looks way better. In the '97 version he's got the whole Anime puppy dog eyes thing going. And it looks like they're making a stylistic change over the "look" of Tatooine. In the previous version it has a "red" kind of dusty look. But in this new edition, it looks like they've making it more uniform with the look from the prequals. Bummer, because I like the old "80's sci-fi look". I prefer it over the slick CGI that they're doing today. Oh well, can't stop the march of time.
     
  5. MR. MEOWGI

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    Looks like all the changes are ok. Changing Anankin at the end is kind of weird though. I always wondered why he didn't change the lettering on the tractor beam in the 97 version of SW. I could care less about the eyebrows. And of course changing Han to shoot second is the worst change ever (Luke screaming coming in at second). I also hate the added musical number to ROTJ. ROTJ is when Lucas sold out, scrapped the original plot, and started marketing directly to the kids. The only thing that saves that movie is the battle between Luke and Vader.

    Lucas should definitely release the originals on dvd. I guess he will when the time is right to make as much money as possible from it. I will have to rely on my coveted widescreen vhs originals until then.
     
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    Jesus!! How many freaking version is Lucas intended to release? Freaking greedy b*stard!! Star Wars suck anyway. Only the first and second(3,4) episode is worth watching.
     
  8. daNasty

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    Lucas is the real Evil Empire.
     
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    This dude is the only fat fighter pilot and he just happens to be called Porkins. Brilliant!
     
  10. Preston27

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    You mean 4 and 5! You should be burned! *Pushes up glasses*
     
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    Jek Porkins.

    bwahaha
     
  12. Clutch

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    That was priceless. Thanks for the great laugh!

    I've just been more and more disgusted with Lucas as time goes on -- this is just the the latest crap. Many people consider it a classic movie, so why is he constantly hacking away at something that shouldn't be touched? I still can't believe Hayden Christensen is there at the end of ROTJ now. I mean what the hell -- were we not supposed to "get it" that it's Anakin? Can't we not believe this is Anakin at an older age? Are we now supposed to forget that Episode 6 was filmed 20 years before Episodes 1, 2 and 3? If you're going to cut out any Anakin, lose Jake Lloyd. Not to mention, Obi Wan now gets a raw deal in this afterlife, still looking like a geezer, while Darth Vader, who spent half his life on the Dark Side choking people from 20 feet away with a two-finger death grip, is easily picking up on ghost chicks (Yoda meanwhile is screwed regardless).

    I think this has made Lucas look sloppy, greedy and gives the impression that he's making this crap up as he goes.
     
  13. Isabel

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    No kidding. Why can't they just not mess with it. Maybe the movies were so successful in the first place because people liked them the way they were... :mad:
     
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    I am HONESTLY begining to think he gets some sort of sick pleasure out of pissing the hardcore Star Wars fans off. Really, these aren't changes that need to be made, just little details here and there, so why put the extra time, energy, and effort into screwing with the movie?

    Obviously, Lucas gets off on it.
     
  15. Hippieloser

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    For some reason the jagoff just gets off on rewriting history. I didn't really have a problem with the Special Editions, because I had never seen the films in theaters and it was a thrill for me to do so. But the changes that were made were either too small to be noticed or ****ing lame as ****. The new Jabba scene in Ep. IV was altogether weak, to say nothing of the new Cantina band. And what about those giant lizards the Storm Troopers were riding? They have freaking vehicles that walk and blow **** up! Just because you CAN do something with CGI, doesn't mean you should, especially if it has zero effect on the story! Those were the stupidest changes from the Special Editions by far.

    And now... NOW we get Hayden Christiansen added to Jedi?! The mother****er has so little respect for his fans it's depressing.
     
  16. mrpaige

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    Didn't the Stormtroopers ride those lizard things in the original version on Tatooine?
     
  17. DanzelKun

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    Yes
     
  18. daNasty

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    Oops, that's what I meant.
     
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    I'm hoping the rumors are true that the next DVD(or HD-DVD) release in 2007 will include the original versions. Lucasfilm has all but confirmed there's another box set in the works. Considering Dawn of the Dead, Gone With the Wind, and each Lord of the Rings film get individual 4-disc sets, you'd figure the entire Star Wars Trilogy deserves more than that amount. Until then, I'm sticking with my laserdiscs.
     
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    This is like Sharon Osbourne going in and re-doing all the bass and drum work on Ozzy's "Blizzard of Ozz" and "Diary of a Madman" albums, then re-selling them 20 years later and pretending they're the originals. Pure crap.
     

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