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Biden is no joke; will vote for him again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. mtbrays

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    I'd vote for anybody who is willing to lose an election and allow my vote to continue to matter over someone who doesn't think they should ever lose and is wiling to wipe away millions of votes to stay in power.
     
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  2. Amiga

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    More credit is due to former Republicans (never-Trumpers like The Lincoln Project and Republicans for the Rule of Law) who foresaw this before most.
     
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  3. mtbrays

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    They're a minority party with woeful demographics. Since Gingrich was House Speaker, Republicans have operated on dissent and chaos in government to prove that the government "doesn't work".

    Trump is no doubt a Cat 5 disaster, but the conditions have been set for hurricane seasons for a while now.
     
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  5. DonnyMost

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    And yet MAGA twitter is dead certain Democrats are fascists and will send republicans to gulags and overrule elections.

    It's all projection with these idiots and I just can't anymore.

    Like I said, **** around with a dictator and you just might find out.
     
  6. Amiga

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    "Government doesn't work" follows a certain logic, leading to extremely low taxation and a reduction of government activities to a minimum. This perspective advocates for limited government involvement in people's lives and in pretty much everything. But this doesn't inherently imply authoritarianism. Authoritarianism, rather than being a natural extension of the belief that "government doesn't work," stands almost as its opposite. An authoritarian government must work and be effective but for the benefit of a single individual, or party.

    The Trump populist movement, now anchored by extreme Christian right ideologies, is gravitating towards authoritarian. While an anti-government movement has existed for some time, Trump's deviation towards authoritarianism is a unique occurrence prompted by unfortunate circumstances and chance. Drawing parallels, though not to equate with Nazi Germany, Germany was on a troubling trajectory, and it took a specific figure to propel it to a nightmarish level. Similarly, in the case of Trump, this unique convergence of unholy characters emerges sporadically, driven by chance and opportune timing, altering the entire political landscape. The underlying failure lies in human fallibility – the capacity to choose leaders with detrimental qualities – yet it necessitates that one individual to ascend to power and reshape the course of events.

    If there were no Trump, we might muddle along for years, and things could get pretty bad, but never cross over into authoritarianism.
     
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    It's so crazy that conservatives can still try to use this narrative. They had a deal in place and rejected it. How stupid do you they think people are? Independents can read between the lines, you don't want to fix the problem, you want to continue to complain about it, just like this tweet.
     
  9. Astrodome

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    Dems had a chance for a deal last year HR2 and Biden reversed all policy day 1. Let's not pretend this is all on the repugs and that recently proposed bill.
     
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    That could very easily become a tweet about gun violence and how the GOP/NRA doesn't want to do anything about it by just changing a few words. Or preventable deaths of women who can't get proper reproductive treatment because of GOP policies.

    Shall I go on?
     
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    We'll just agree to disagree
     
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    Lol. Solid meme
     
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    Your posts like this are so disingenuous. Spare us your fake sanctimony.

    Your god king Trump tanked the bipartisan border deal that Biden supported. Republicans and their MAGA cult followers like you don’t give a crap about this poor lady that lost her life. You see a political opportunity and without knowing any of the facts cannot wait to try and use it for right wing propaganda.

    Sick.
     
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  14. mtbrays

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    How often does major legislation pass without compromise, especially in a divided Congress? HR 2 was never going to be passed as-written since Republicans control 1/6 of the federal government. They weren't in a place to make unilateral demands then and they certainly aren't now after killing (again) a bipartisan immigration bill. They're not serious people.
     
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    This line of thinking the same as someone pointing to any murder that happened, and then saying, "Just think. If there were more abortions this murderer might not have been alive to commit this horrible act on someone that could have been your child. We need more abortions."
     
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  16. Amiga

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    How far do we want to go back? The 1970s when we passed the bill that allows migrants to seek asylum even if they entered the country illegally? The 1980s when Reagan invited all in with "open arms" (attributed to the 1986 immigration reform bill)? The 1990s to 2010s when Republicans killed all immigration reform efforts?

    HR2 is not a serious bill. For example, it requires 900 new miles of wall, but it doesn't provide the funding for it (Trump only built 15 new miles). It mandates the detention of all asylum seekers, yet it doesn't allocate any new funding for detention centers or for more judges to speed up cases. It was a political bill that wasn't serious about governance. The Senate bipartisan bill is a serious proposal.

    It's factually incorrect to state that Biden reversed all (border) policies from day 1. The Biden administration kept a good chunk of them in place, replaced some, removed others, and add new ones.

    No one is pretending the border issue is solely on the Republicans. However, it's on Trump and the Republicans for killing a bill that Republicans insisted on just months ago. No solution has come forth because of the extremists of the parties involved for years. This year, it's not just the extremists of the party, but the whole Republican party as a whole, led by Trump.

    EDIT: Remember that Trump and key Republicans have openly said they killed the bipartisan Senate bill because they think it's politically advantageous to do so.
     
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    Most now agree the border is an issue. Now, would Republicans pass the bipartisan bill that Biden said he would sign to address the border situation? Personally, I think the bill is pretty flawed, but it is still better than doing nothing.
     
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    I would think a bill would need to be passed before being labeled bipartisan.
     
  19. Astrodome

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    Relax.
     
  20. Amiga

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    Yes and no. The bill started off as a bipartisan effort with members of both parties assigned to it. That’s what happened here. So, it’s bipartisan. It didn’t get to a vote because the minority leader stated it’s an election year, and it’s better to continue the problem. Not in those exact words, but that’s essentially what he openly said. Then he got pretty much all Republican senators to line up.

    It started as a bipartisan bill, still is a bipartisan bill, and was killed for partisan political election-year reasons.
     

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