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Come on Stone *********!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Francis3422, Jun 22, 2023.

  1. Aruba77

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    that sounds right to me. Another interesting question is when did Denver and Philly know Jokic and Embid were their “super star” players? Year 3?

    Im not sure I see Sengun at the Jokic/Embid level, but it’s certainly possible. I’m convinced we have at least one more star on this roster. But to me we are probably still looking for our Jokic/Embid, as good as Sengun’s been playing.
     
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    When Denver traded Nurkic to make place for Joker.....it was the first sign of utmost respect.....

    Forfeit the idea of Twin towers.

    A few years later he would be a star player.

    And Nurkic was a very good player himself just no star.

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  3. Aruba77

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    So they knew in year 2 when Jokic was averaging 16/5/10

    Sengun averaged 15/4/9 in yr 2. 21/5/9 in yr 3 ;). And I think he came into the league younger than Jokic. Regardless of if he reaches MVP levels Sengun will certainly be a star.
     
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    . no deletion? come on 20 years of forum leader..
     
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  6. Rinaldi

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    FYI for all real Rockets fans. Stone (AND) his paid trolls here know one thing. Power. and they knew the owner gave someone else the power this summer. all Stone knows is tanking. and getting terrible top picks. anyways, Stone said to his inner circle that he would get this Ime guy within a year, since all he cares about is his boss stance and Tillmaniac meth. Ime and his new squad even surprised them, succeeding. they needed to stop that. and when it was clear that Ime is a great motivator and a good defender / but nothing else, Ime started his shananigans. Team's best 2 players will be out of line up for tanking. since tanking is all Stone knows. So Fred and Alpi will be mostly injured for the rest of tanking.
    and they have their new KPJ. Jalen is almost or more as inefficient as the previous clown that Stone gave the keys of the kingdom to. Jalen is now high, like Francis or TMac or any other shoot first do nothing else clowns, which many of the gay Clutchfans prefer. now they can all enjoy the Jalen first tankatown where he may score 30 while shooting 30. Stone is jacking while Tilman thinks he has the next MJ. lol. and yes, mark this post so that your early replies wont be a shame.
     
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    You think Stone pays people to troll CFs?
     
  9. Rinaldi

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    just check the post before you. why would anyone with 14 years of membership post that. without any countersht.
     
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    Sengun's numbers compare favorably to Jokic's year 3. Embiid is a tougher comparison because he was already 24 years old and pretty much fully developed his third "real" year in the league, since he missed his first two seasons due to injury. But, if you want to take another common Sengun comp, he also compares favorably with Pau Gasol in his third year.

    Now, that doesn't necessarily mean he will become as good as those guys. Progress is not always linear. Most players get significantly better after their third year and especially when they're as young as Sengun is, but some players plateau earlier than others; sometimes due to injury, sometimes due to shifts in the league that leave them behind, sometimes because they're just airheads or refuse to work hard.

    Still very possible he won't become good enough to be the best player on a contender, but he's our best shot at the moment.
     
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    Frank speaking too much truth.
     
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    Comparing and expecting Sengun to be as good as Jokic and Embiid is incredibly unfair to Sengun.

    Jokic and Embiid are the two best players in the world.
     
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    True. Just pointing out that he is on that kind of track so far statistically--but as I said, it doesn't mean he'll get all the way there, or necessarily even very close.
     
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    It comes with the nba clout, he'll get his max contract as well.

    But yeah it wouldn't be wise to announce him as new Jokic yet.

     
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    The tracking stops once he has to consistently reach that MVP level or plateau for more than 2-3 years.

    Not everyone could do that.

     
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    I don't understand why we don't utilize our 2-ways or an end of bench spot to sign a player who fills a need.

    Morey frantically flipped through end of roster spots and 10-day contracts with g-leaguers, free agents, undrafted players, and international guys when we were rebuilding. He was always looking to find a useful player or some potential to kick. Teams like OKC/Heat/Philly/Warriors (most teams in general) over the years have done the same.

    Stones Rockets have emphatically neglected the 2-way spots, 10 day signings and end of bench spots during a rebuild and it's driving me nuts. Our teams biggest needs are a backup C, shooting, backup PG. So naturally we have 3 wings who can't shoot that we're just going to sit on for the entire year.
     
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    Pretty frustrating. Building a great roster is a collection of small, positive moves that gradually add up to something bigger--that's something I learned from the Morey years. Feels like Stone didn't learn the same lesson. There's value in keeping your eyes on the prize, but if this really is "phase 2", it's time to start really trying to field a winner, and that means doing more than just waiting on young players to break out.
     
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    It really depend upon the cost of that backup center - what it costs in future assets and who it affects in terms of minutes.

    There were two kinds of players -

    1) guys who wouldn't be on the Rockets roster next year.

    2) guys who cost too much in both assets to acquire and or cap space to sit behind Sengun.


    I'm glad Stone didn't give away assets for a player who wouldn't be on next years roster.

    I'm glad Stone didn't overpay for a player who would be a bench player.

    Let's not forget about Jabari needing minutes at the backup 5 spot - that's a necessity of great import.

    I'm also glad that Stone didn't bring any players to get in the way of the developmental minutes of Cam, Amen, Jabari & Green.

    Forget about the draft pick owed to OKC, it's a sunk cost. It's gone - You still need to do what's best for your own franchise in the mean time - Just look North to Brooklyn and what Sean Marks did at the deadline. He got rid of players who have no future with the team despite the sunk cost owed the Rockets.
    (I know but Tate!! Well, obviously the team thinks he has a future here or they would have moved him, and no one was gonna take Landale or Bullock)

    It was a boring deadline but I'll take that over screwing up and throwing away assets or overpaying for marginal upgrades that probably get in a young players way anyhow.
     
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