and now you are moving the goalposts of the conversation. What is factually incorrect is your statement that "reckless assault" does not involve PHYSICAL INJURY. The fact remains that KPJ pleaded guilty to RECKLESS ASSAULT, which means he pleads guilty to having caused PHYSICAL INJURY. Here is what you said, all of which is factually incorrect:
That is factually correct, hitting, pushing, shoving, choking are all general assault....reckless means he did something that caused harm but wasn't anything like, hitting, shoving, pushing, etc....just something he did, and no one knows what that is.....but it wasn't felony assault.....there is a massive difference between assault and reckless assault....that is why it is only a misdemeanor - nice try though. An example of reckless might be that he grabbed her arms and as a result of her pulling away she fell and hit the wall - that would be reckless assault - no intent to harm etc, but his actions caused a poor situation - now that is not a big deal - but again, I don't know if that was what the reckless charge was....etc...just an example of one. KPJ is free - no jail time, will move on with his career and I hope he continues to mature and he has no more issues. DD
https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/2-PenalLaw/120/120-00(2).pdf the text of which reads: ASSAULT IN THE THIRD DEGREE (Physical Injury; Reckless) Penal Law § 120.00(2) (Committed on or after Sept. 1, 1967) The (specify) count is Assault in the Third Degree. Under our law, a person is guilty of Assault in the Third Degree when that person recklessly causes physical injury to another person. The following terms used in that definition have a special meaning: PHYSICAL INJURY means impairment of physical condition or substantial pain.1 A person acts RECKLESSLY with respect to physical injury when that person: engages in conduct which creates or contributes to a substantial and unjustifiable risk that physical injury to another person will occur, and when he or she is aware of and consciously disregards that risk, and when that risk is of such nature and degree that disregard of it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of conduct that a reasonable person would observe in the situation. 2 [NOTE: Where there is evidence of voluntary intoxication on the part of the defendant, add: A person also acts recklessly when he or she creates such a risk but is unaware of that risk solely by reason of 1 Penal Law § 10.00(9); See People v. Chiddick, 8 NY3d 445 (2007). 2 See Penal Law § 15.05(3); People v. Boutin, 75 NY2d 692, 696 (1990). his or her voluntary intoxication.3] In order for you to find the defendant guilty of this crime, the People are required to prove, from all the evidence in the case, beyond a reasonable doubt, both of the following two elements: That on or about (date) , in the county of (county) , the defendant, (defendant's name) , caused physical injury to (specify) ; and That the defendant did so recklessly. If you find the People have proven beyond a reasonable doubt both of those elements, you must find the defendant guilty of this crime. If you find the People have not proven beyond a reasonable doubt either one or both of those elements, you must find the defendant not guilty of this crime.
His charges was basically he hurt her unintentionally when grabbing phone back and when trying to place her back in car. I only compare it to KPJ case cause first it was choke marks and damage to her neck … and then it came out it wasn’t true[/QUOTE] This case really is weird (Majors). "Majors was arrested by NYPD officers who had responded to that call; they found Jabbari with cuts, bruises and a broken finger. Jabbari was cleared of mental health concerns after a relatively brief, three-hour examination. Majors was originally charged with assault in the third degree with intent to cause physical injury, assault in the third degree recklessly causing physical injury, aggravated harassment in the second degree and harassment in the second degree. After his arrest, Majors also accused Jabbari of assaulting him, but the Manhattan district attorney's office did not pursue charges against her. So during the trial it came out that Majors' girlfriend had cuts, bruises and a broken finger. However, that night his girlfriend apparently went with some of the people that helped her from the scene out to dance. She said she did it because she felt alone, and Majors' attorney said it showed she was not hurt. It also came out that Majors had hit his girlfriend in the past and had injured her head before. He was charged initially with third degree assault WITH intent to harm and second degree harassment. The jury DID find him guilty of third degree assault, but did NOT believe that he intended to hurt her when he started to assault her. The judge also gave her a continued restraining order.
This case really is weird (Majors). "Majors was arrested by NYPD officers who had responded to that call; they found Jabbari with cuts, bruises and a broken finger. Jabbari was cleared of mental health concerns after a relatively brief, three-hour examination. Majors was originally charged with assault in the third degree with intent to cause physical injury, assault in the third degree recklessly causing physical injury, aggravated harassment in the second degree and harassment in the second degree. After his arrest, Majors also accused Jabbari of assaulting him, but the Manhattan district attorney's office did not pursue charges against her. So during the trial it came out that Majors' girlfriend had cuts, bruises and a broken finger. However, that night his girlfriend apparently went with some of the people that helped her from the scene out to dance. She said she did it because she felt alone, and Majors' attorney said it showed she was not hurt. It also came out that Majors had hit his girlfriend in the past and had injured her head before. He was charged initially with third degree assault WITH intent to harm and second degree harassment. The jury DID find him guilty of third degree assault, but did NOT believe that he intended to hurt her when he started to assault her. The judge also gave her a continued restraining order.[/QUOTE] with as strange as (Majors) case went - it made me wonder if KPJ taking a plea deal was influenced by how Majors turned out. No one thought he would be guilty once videos and statement from driver came out …Hell even Marvel was still hanging on to him
That is some weird ****. He did pick her up and try to push her in the car. He then stops and tries to run away.... then supposedly he comes back to the car and tells her and the other people to leave him alone and he drives away. She ends up the next morning at their place and he calls the cops thinking it was an OD. She clearly had an injured finger and a nasty laceration on ear. Still - sad it had to end like this, but they need to stay apart.
No. Hitting, pushing, shoving, etc. are all going to qualify under the statute that KPJ pled to. I don't know how you can come off sounding so sure when you're also wrong.
I don't think it had much impact on the Porter case. Even in the Majors case the DA got two convictions, with one of them being a lesser charge but it is still a conviction. I think that had Majors testified, and the text about prior abuse not existed - that he could have gotten a not guilty. The problem was that his lawyer did not want him to testify, and I understand why. I think the photos of the injuries and the prior abuse mention in the text got a guilty verdict - but him running away probably is what kept him from being convicted of the higher 3rd degree assault charge.
Maj Majors had photos showing bleeding and scratching also .. if I’m trying to escape a situation to keep it from escalating… no way I should be found guilty for unintentionally harming the person I’m trying to escape. She had said he never hit her before but he had raised his voice ( The tapes with him telling her she needs to carry herself better ) then she ran off overseas and had a warrant for her arrest. She went home and he went to a hotel and wokeup to several missed calls and messages from her… but she saying she feared for her life… the man is always guilty in these instances they going to get you for something so depending on what they were going to charge KPJ with …originally … you see how Majors case goes and take the plea deal to avoid significant if any jail time. If KPJ goes to jail he’s never getting back in NBA .. if he avoids jail time and gets probation .. I can see him sneaking back in maybe
Right, but the problem is that there is video of him picking her up and trying to shove her back in the car. He only tries to escape the situation after he fails getting her in the car. Had he ran off before that, I would agree with you. People that are abused often lie, and that is well known in society in 2024. The classic example is Warren Moon and Marilyn Manson. The problem was the text message with both of them discussing him having hit her before. I don't doubt that his then girlfriend is not stable, but that alone isn't enough. The charges against her were ultimately dropped. Yeah -based on history, typically a man is going to be found guilty when a woman has physical evidence of abuse and then says that she is scared of her abuser. It is also know that those that are abused often will yo-yo between running to and running away from their abuser. The magnitude of the situation with KPJ is different, the level of claimed physical abuse against Majors is lower than that against KPJ. Ultimately it did not look like Majors was trying to beat her... that isn't true with KPJ. The advantage KPJ had in his case is that his GF denied any abuse happened, and that she fell off the bed. Now - the reality is that is very unlikely the case, and jurors would likely draw that conclusion - but the fact that the victim didn't want to prosecute likely would lead a lot of jurors to say that if the victim doesn't care, then they don't care. I am privy to Porter having had other issues and conflicts that he got away with, but in this one he finally got in trouble. I think he may need to go play overseas, because he has been in trouble before. Every team he has played for the last 6 years has asked him to not return.
KPJ is not going to jail, he didn't do anything worthy of jail. I believe Nook when he says KPJ was rude to staff - that is a bad disposition but lots of ball players over the years are assholes....you don't have to be kind to be a good ball player. He shoved Lucas - well that sucks, what was the circumstances here, what was Lucas part in all of this, because Lucas has been known his entire life of having similar issues as KPJ - I know people love him now but he is no saint....so what exactly was the beef? And how does it compare to say Tom Brady yelling at his coaches, or Robert Horry tossing a towel in Ainge's face etc.....I don't know the circumstances so I don't hold this against him....there are 2 parts to every story. Leading to the assault case, many - including myself jumped off the deep end with...YEP guilty, WHOOOOOOOPPPPPPSSSS turns out, not so much. So, if I step back and take a look at the entire thing, we let a QUALITY basketball player go, before we found out what he would be with IME - and we are struggling because he was way better than Jalen. And KPJ adds something this team needs in his driving and finishing and dishing...no one else is as good on this roster as he was at this.... That being said, he is gone, and the charges will be expunged/dropped soon, he may get like a 10 game suspension- but I doubt much more and he will more than likely get a shot this year after the trade deadline as he is the number 1 NBA ready free agent available. I still have hope that he is maturing and will come out of this stuff with a lesson learned....as he gets older and matures...if not...well, not our problem anymore as we moved on.... DD
So you are all about FACTS when they affect YOUR narrative in a positive way...got it. NY corrupt on KPJ, but not Trump, Kid sniffer not pedo, but accused Trump is, both families investigated for corruption, but only one is legit? Your "great man" (PROVEN LIAR, Racist, and questionable father daughter relations, son that has no compass) yeah, I see your fact based belief system at work....only one of the two is bad. Thanks for the clarity, But I digress, got sucked into political thread, my apologies.
Trump is guilty, has pled guilty to defrauding a children's charity, to running a fake university, to money laundering at his casinos 2 times.... Comparing Trump to this is like saying stealing a pack of gum is the same as murder because they are both illegal...they are not comparable.... Trump is a conman, a liar, a pedophile, and a corrupt man who wouldn't walk across the street to piss on you if you were on fire...... Not close to comparable. IF KPJ had sexually assaulted her like Trump was found to have done, I would in no way be supporting him..... DD
Well, I am not a BIDEN fan, but there is no comparison if that is all we get I am all in on the Octogenarian until someone on either side puts forth a worthy candidate.... Because the President has a TEAM around him, that implements policy and I trust Biden's team more than Trumps....in the end. DD
I think there is a good chance that Kevin will mature and learn for this and will return to being a good NBA player. I will be rooting for him.
