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Is Amen Thompson A Bust?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Dec 28, 2023.

  1. Joe Joe

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    Unless they go with a hard cap and get rid of maximum contracts, I don't see another fair way to do it except a draft that wouldn't give teams that had superstars/large markets an even bigger advantage. Relegation, removing the chance of the bottom three teams from getting the 1st pick (or bottom 3 picks), or using the wheel system for the draft would be other ways to curb tanking, but it would really help the bigger markets, IMO.

    On the Rockets being bad for a long time, the Pistons have had one winning season, and one 41-win season in the last 16 seasons. They probably won't be averaging greater than 20 wins a season over the last 5 once this year is complete (even with prorating the bubble year wins). I think Cade would look good with a better team, but down a FRP and several non shooters among their young guys does not look promising for their immediate future. Yao Ming was a Rocket the last time the Pistons won a playoff game.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    The Pistons actually got away from their Bad boy identity, if they did draft bad boys.....

    They would go with someone like Sochan who is a dirty but zealous player......

    I really like Gonzaga and Villanova players, those are really feisty....

     
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    His shooting form reminds me of Cameron Payne, who is surprisingly decent at 3pt shooting. That gives me some hope for his shot but it was looking busted last night.

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    His shooting mechanics looked especially bad last night. There have been times when they looked almost decent, but I expect there will be a lot of ups and downs before they find consistency (if, indeed, they do).
     
  5. YOLO

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    his 3 point shot has never looked decent. his mechanics last night is the same its been since the season started. all ugly. It's not like he hasn't air balled other shots this past week
     
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    Beyond his mechanics it's almost like depth perception issue. Air balling as short as he is is worrisome.
     
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  7. Mathloom

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    Happens all the time, you're just micro-focused because it's our rookie.

    Why did it happen for Jalen Suggs? Did he train like Kobe Bryant? No he just took 2+ years to work on it. We have a great coaching staff and a noteworthy shooting specialist. There is no information that says Amen's not a hard worker except speculation. There is information that says he's obsessed with basketball off the court. Stick to what we know, it's always best if you don't want your ego to play tricks on you.

    If you're going to be shocked about every 17 year old that made one single bad career choice, you're not going to see potential in anyone.
     
  8. OremLK

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    Nah, you're wrong. He was bringing the ball much farther down last night and his shooting elbow was flying way out. There have been games where (make or miss) he was able to stay much more vertical and keep everything closer to a straight line. It's a WIP, and even at his best, the mechanics aren't quite where they need to be, but you're completely off the mark if you think his mechanics look the same every time. In fact, that very inconsistency is a big part of his shooting struggles right now. He needs to settle on a workable form and dial it in the same way every single time, even if it never looks like a gorgeous shooter's stroke such as, say, Jabari's.
     
  9. YOLO

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    no you're wrong. stop it with this nonsene. lol at this laughable breakdown as if anything is different

    you were one of the amen hype men so downplaying that broken shot is not surprising. reality says different. said it needed to be rebuilt from day 1. that remains true as we approach the half point of the season. its going to take offseasons for that to happen

    oh and i remember you were also one to be like oh i read Cam's jumpshot was slow and all. blah blah. I called all that nonsense. Hows that working out. oh and brandon miller's got that low release on his jumper. Hows that working out. yeah shooting tips and reports not your thing
     
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    There’s no doubt that there was a big drop after Scoot. But consider what there is to work with with Amen:

    -the defensive versatility to defend 4 positions at a high level

    -while I’ve been underwhelmed by the handles and playmaking so far, I am confident he will get there.

    -he is already way ahead of where Jalen was getting to the rim his rookie year. He’s going to get to the rim at will.

    -his jumper is broken and he’s the worst long range shooter I’ve ever seen, but I believe he can develop a decent mid-jump shot over time.

    guys, he’s a rookie coming from OTE. He’s been hurt most of his time with the rockets; he’s played very little. Let’s let him get comfortable and play some consistent minutes before we prognosticate doom for his future.
     
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    He has zero confidence in his shot from 3. When he shoots on the move inside the line everything looks in rhythm and with decent form. That said he’s only shooting 61% at the FT line.

    I want the kid to succeed. He seems very intelligent and motivated but there is just some kind of disconnect in his game. He is smart and his father raised his boys to be pro players but never instilled shooting or handles into their game. Both the twins have a game based on athleticism but they never developed a style that could adapt to what happens when they are not the most athletic guys on the court.

    Amen’s athleticism is not outstanding for the NBA from what I’ve seen. He’s not Jalen Green or Cam Whitmore level. I’d put him behind Tari too in terms of athleticism too. He doesn’t really have a position either because of the fundamental deficiencies in his game.

    Defensively he plays very well positionally, he has quick hands, and he is composed. However, he’s so far behind the NBA curve offensively that I don’t know if he will be able to catch up.

    I’m trying to think of reasonable comps for him but I can’t think of anyone who came into the league with his weaknesses and improved them that dramatically. He isn’t Rondo because Rondo was a PG and Amen clearly isn’t unless he significantly improves his handles.

    I used to hope for a Lamar Odom style player but Odom was not this bad of a shooter.
     
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    lol at acting like you have ironclad data about outcomes of any rookie who hasn't even played half a season yet (whether than Thompson, Miller, Whitmore, or anybody).
     
  13. YOLO

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    data. yeah i have plenty of data of what I already knew. You on the other hand all your self hopeful claims and i read this online bs. well are trash lol

    maybe one day this amen broke back shot will look passable. can't wait to hear the i told you so on that one
     
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    “He’s obsessed with Basketball”

    why do people act like it’s some indicator of future success. We heard the same about Jalen, Killian Hayes and other disappointing picks. Meanwhile we heard the opposite of Lamelo and Edwards, how they don’t care about basketball and rather do anything else. People just associate anyone who spends a lot of time in the gym to working hard. Evidently you’re not working as hard if you’re a guard and shoot as bad as Amen. If Amen was the hard worker he’s proclaimed to be, he wouldn’t have played against kids 5 years younger than him before the NBA. It seems counter productive. The fact that his brother is even worse than him and isn’t playable on a lotto team is a massive red flag.
     
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    That is a known sign that the mechanics of your jumper change from shot-to-shot. If you get a compact and perfectly repeatable shooting motion that you have practiced extensively it tends to resolve itself.

    It just indicates that his jumper is probably more broken than it appears on TV.
     
  16. MrButtocks

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    Hire Fred Vinson, the same coach who fixed Lonzo's shot.

     
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  17. Imanimal

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    I’m a great dribbler,passer, and rebounder when I play unskilled kids on my dead end street of whom I am significantly older and more developed (aka OT league). One thing I can’t hide is my broken three pointer, as that doesn’t work against good or bad competition. Whoever on this site said he’s going to shoot 36% (eric gordan like) threes is on crack cocaine. Be absolutely thrilled if he can match his easy peasy OT career average of 20% in the toughest league in the world. We’ll give him more time to prove it, but it is likely he’s a bust. There are many many G leaguers and athletic players with his skill set who are just missing one key aspect to their game….shooting and that’s why they can’t stick in the NBA.
     
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    Even the shots of Jalen Green do not look very fine. Amen is really not a shooter.

     
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    What a moron this guy is. Amen's played 264 minutes in his career. Is he bust? What a stupid question.
     
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    honestly wouldn’t even be surprised if somebody said that on here
     

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