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Cam Whitmore is the franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by fchowd0311, Jun 26, 2023.

  1. Umut

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    Cam is coming!
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Sorry you're upset, but 100% of the opinions I've shared about Cam on this board are positive or extremely positive. If you need me to be a Cam-hater to justify your posts, unfortunately you're out of luck.

    Regarding your question, the answer is very simple. You are the one who made the initial claim: that these per minute bench numbers could roughly translate to starter numbers. Where is your proof that this happens? Please demonstrate it to us. If you'd like to save yourself the time of researching it, everyone else here knows that numbers don't translate that way 99% of the time. So you will find small nuggets of evidence which appear to support your claim, but you will not find proof because it doesn't exist. There's no real debate about it.

    Good luck.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Unfortunately the truth rarely ends so neatly. Players end up somewhere between the projected success and failure, and responsibility in the real world is rarely 100% here or there. There is usually one big dominant factor (in this case the player) and then tiny 1-5% factors like coaching, system, roster, etc. If Green does not take a step UP, I'll put 90% of the blame on him and 10% for any other excuse anyone might have.

    I saw this problem coming before the season and set an arbitrary point (30 games) at which 90% of the responsibility shifts to Jalen. That's plenty of control over his own career to achieve anything he wants regardless of his pre-NBA and early NBA experience.

    I hope we are doing the same with Cam. This is what allows us to remain Rocket fans and not become bitter if one of our young guys outplays the other. I would be ecstatic if Cam blew Green out of the water in a starting role. I'm a Rockets fan ten times more than I'm a Green fan. Lot of people forget why we're here.
     
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    Cam showed good energy on both ends of the floor despite air balling a long 3 and crashing into Kevin Love which resulted in an offensive foul. Green crashed into Lowry on an open fast break. He's experienced enough to avoid that.

    Jalen loses confidence whenever he plays badly. I believe he should be the 6th man off the bench. Cam is obviously not ready to play as a starting SG. The Rockets may have no other choice though.
     
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    tunnel vision
     
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    Ok. I'm obviously happy with Whitmore so far but we're comparing him to Lebron? Pump the brakes (in fact use the emergency break). Let him develop.

    He needs to play defense, see the court and trust his teammates. I like the confidence but he's not even the best player on the team let alone the court
     
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    Name me a SG/SF on a winning team like Whitmore that makes Kobe look like prime Stockton.

    This archetype of a pure scorer who doesn't/can't pass is outdated and Cam won't find consistent minutes nor will he find team-mates that want to play with him. You don't think team-mates are noticing that he never passes?

    By the way, I say this as a person who wants to see his minutes increase to at least 20 a game but unless he finds more way to contribute other than scoring, Whitmore won't be starting on a quality team anytime soon.
     
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    LOL. I knew I would break this thread, but it is true that his strength level for his age is Lebron-like....

    Is he Lebron level talented... hell no. He's strong and athletic like Lebron, but he doesn't have the height, and length that Lebron had much less his ability to completely control the game as a point guard at 19 as well as the insane BBIQ that is off charts with Lebron. And we have no idea if he'll have the Wolverine like ability to stay healthy and at his peak well into his late 30's if not 40 which it looks like Lebron will do.

    There will never be another Lebron from an overall talent, athleticism, frame, BBIQ, and skill perspective... and especially with health/longevity.

    But there will be prospects that every once in awhile have the insane strength at such a young age, and athleticism that is "Lebron Like." Cam is certainly one of those... but he aint Lebron. Still could be an all-star level talent for sure.

    (as an example, Eric Bledsoe at a very young age was "Lebron like" from the standpoint of being insanely strong at such a young age for a guard.... but Bledsoe was certainly not at a Lebron level from an overall prospect profile. That's an example of what I'm talking about with insane strength at such a young age).
     
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    We are pretty far off here. There's a lot of guys who you could compare his build to. Entering Lebron's name (even unintentional) is a recipe for disaster

    That said, Hopefully Cam develops.
     
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    To be fair to DD, he was talking about his physical build, not his skills. Cam has about 1% of LeBron's court vision. That's something he needs to improve, drastically. If not, he can only be a microwave score kind of player, and not a first option star.
     
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    you clearly didn't get what he is saying. He never once said he's lebron or his play is just like. You're taking it as if he did. He specifically said strength and used the comparison which is absolutely valid. Cam was drafted into the league at 18 years old. The combination of his size, strength, and athleticism is very comparable. You won't find a long list of guys that fit this mold of 18 year olds with an already nba ready build and advanced athleticism/physicality

    We'd love to hear about this "a lot of guys" that were drafted at 18/19 coming into the league that look just like this
     
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    Shooters shoot baby
     
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    NBA champion Michael Porter Jr.
     
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    He was drafted at 20 btw (not that it matters). He reminds of JR Rider (don't recall where he was picked)

    Who is we btw? Don't be arrogant. You're a fan posting on a message board
     
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    wrong. Cam was 18 when he was drafted. He turned 19 a couple weeks later

    Cam isn't even 20 so it's impossible to be drafted at 20 years old lol
     
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    NO there isn't....name another 18 year old that came into the league with this level of physical maturity?

    That is what the comparison to Lebron is about, both he and Cam were already grown MEN at 18.

    Exactly - and he is absolutely looking like a first option star - most young players like him are selfish ball hogs, hell Hakeem and MJ come to mind, they have to learn to trust their teamates....Cam will too, he has been the DUDE at every stop of his career and isn't now.....which by the way, Jalen has NEVER been the Dude....he was 6th man on his AAU team ......Cam is coming and it is wonderful to see.

    DD
     
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    Per 36 amongst players with at least 100 minutes, he's top 15 in the league in scoring (27ppg)...

    He has obvious rookie deficiencies, makes bad turnovers, gets lost on defense frequently, commits poor fouls, forces things on offense, doesn't make the correct passes

    But outside of that, HO LEE SHET does the guy look like a monster. This is the out of the gate draft pick we've been hoping for over the last 4 years, someone to step out and show they are special from day one.

    Move Jalen, Cam needs his minutes & role. Cam & Sengun are the future.
     
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    I love watching him play. Imagine what he could do with a couple more years of experience.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    He needs more minutes now....should be getting more than 20 per game.

    DD
     
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