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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shark44, Jul 10, 2023.

  1. Scarface281

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    I've seen you in the Stroud thread spread falsehoods about Houston and it's population growth and now you're doing it here. You were saying something about the oil industry, but not taking into account how diverse the economy has gotten at this point. You vastly under-rate the city. It is for sure more popular than Dallas for NBA players and is not a middle of the pack city. Houston really gained some street cred, especially for new younger players, starting in the mid 00s.
     
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    I was born and raised in Houston and lived there, both inside the loop and in the 'burbs, for three-plus decades. I still visit every year. It's why I'm a fan of our sports teams. I'm not some outsider flinging mud, Houston is in my bones--and it's a city I'll never live in again if I can help it. Too many problems with the way it is planned, with its culture, climate, infrastructure, etc. Very few cities over 500k population that I wouldn't prefer.
     
  3. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Don't stress. You’re allowed to have bad opinions. It just makes you wrong.
     
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    Thats fine if you have that opinion of Houston but don't try acting like thats majority opinion or the overall outlook people have on the city. It is still a very attractive place to live for Americans (see evidence of the domestic migration numbers which is top 5 in the country) and international immigrants from all over the globe. There are definitely some planning issues but stop acting like Houston is a Detroit or even a future Detroit like you said in the other thread. It is nothing like Detroit and isn't a declining city, nor metro area (Detroit declines with both).

    And Houston culture is awesome and has been exported outside the city, and a big reason why it has clout. You're missing out.

    As the last major US metro (above 6 million people) that is still relatively affordable, Houston's prospects are looking up even more
     
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    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I think he has a severe case of copium. He leaves in Minneapolis. Anyone who would prefer Minneapolis to Houston is sick in the head.
     
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    I don't live in Minneapolis lol. I live in Colorado

    I'm not going to keep going on and on with this--it's not the forum nor the thread. But I do think Houston is approaching a severe decline. It hasn't reached critical mass yet, but there are strong signs of slowing growth in the metro area. Climate change is going to be extremely harsh on Houston and the infrastructure is barely hanging on. Driving around inside the loop this Christmas was just depressing. Going through wealthy neighborhoods and the streets are so bad they damn near require a Jeep or similar. This is a direct result of many, many bad decisions on city planning & infrastructure stacking on top of each other, and it's not going to get better, it's only going to get worse.

    Anyway, I'm gonna stop there, if you want me to elaborate further I'm happy to discuss it in PMs.
     
  7. R=$

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    Houston Rockets Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: +3.4 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and +0.5 apg.
    Incoming Players
    [​IMG] Evan Fournier
    31 year old, 6-6, 205 lb SG from Poitiers Basket 86 (France)
    6.0 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 16.5 minutes in 2023-2024
    [​IMG] Quentin Grimes
    23 year old, 6-5, 210 lb SG from Houston
    6.7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 1.1 apg in 20.5 minutes in 2023-2024
    Outgoing Players
    [​IMG] Jock Landale
    28 year old, 6-11, 255 lb C from Saint Mary's
    1.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 0.5 apg in 8.7 minutes in 2023-2024
    [​IMG] Jae'sean Tate
    28 year old, 6-4, 230 lb F from Ohio State
    5.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.1 apg in 19.0 minutes in 2023-2024
    [​IMG] Reggie Bullock
    32 year old, 6-6, 205 lb SG from North Carolina
    2.2 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 8.6 minutes in 2023-2024
     
  8. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    You know, the more I’m thinking about it, the more conflicted I am about trading any of the Nets’ assets. The first part of the rebuild brought in the first “wave” of players (Sengun, Bari, Green, Eason). The current Nets’ pick may be part of our second “wave” (Amen, Cam, top 10 pick). And if things goes well, the Nets’ assets could even get us a third wave. We’re really setup for longterm, sustained success if we remain patient. This will be especially important in the second apron era.
     
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    I'm a little bit skeptical about treating the NBA the same way you would NFL or MLB, where you want a constant stream of young prospects taking over for expensive-but-not-elite veterans. I feel like the NBA is more about setting up a really good group of roleplayers around 2 or 3 star players and letting them all build chemistry and play for championships together as long as possible. That was kind of the model the Spurs then Warriors followed in their recent runs of success, for example. Then you knock it down, rebuild, and start over again.

    Recent attempts to have a "second wave" of star players come up behind the first have kind of flopped. For the aforementioned franchises; Kawhi left the Spurs and Golden State's high picks haven't panned out and have been publicly unhappy with their roles.

    I'm not saying it's necessarily impossible to build in that way, but all in all, I think I'd probably rather consolidate future picks at this point and try to add a young perimeter star as soon as one becomes available.
     
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    We want to make the play-in or playoffs. But we aren’t contending. Can we trade for a difference-maker at the deadline without giving up really important assets? We need shooting at the guard position, and a good backup center.

    go after Brogdon. He’s not part of Portland’s future. They are reluctant to give up Simmons. Brogdon is on a good 2-yr deal. He’s a complete 2-way player still in his prime.

    we are gonna have a log jam at the 3 (Brooks 3, Tari 3/4, Cam 3/2), so Tate is really the odd man out. I love him but I love those 3 players more.

    Tate and 2nds for Brogdon. Or trade Tate and seconds for a late first for Brogdon. Either way, we need to pry Brogdon away from Portland. And we should be able to do it without giving an arm and a leg.

    I have little confidence in Stone, but this is what I’d like to see.
     
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    Yep been trumpeting this fo a month. Perfect fit for this year and next
     
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    NBA Trade Rumor: Houston Rockets Collin Sexton Utah Jazz Trade Deal Brewing, Multiple Draft Picks in the Mix
    https://www.hiptoro.com/p/nba-trade...deal-brewing-multiple-draft-picks-in-the-mix/
    I kind of like this trade rumor. Solves two needs and you don't have to give up much.
     
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    This rumor just sounds like speculation from a blogger to me, but I agree that's a trade which would make sense. If we got Sexton, would he start or would he just take Holiday's minutes off the bench?
     
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    He would come off the bench. I think this trade makes a lot of sense and might motivate Green to improve with the increase in competition. Sexton is a lot better than both Aaron Holiday and Jalen right now. Olynyk, while not a rim protector or lob threat, is a stretch big with high IQ and would be a massive upgrade over Landale. We should've never let Olynyk go in the first place. Remember, Stone let him walk and signed Daniel Theis instead.
     
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    Yeah, I've been beating the drum for Olynyk for weeks now. He would help our offense off the bench a lot.
     
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  17. Houston77

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    This would be tempting. I’ve always liked Sexton, he’s only 25, and he’s on a good contract. Kelly O. is also an obvious fit. Giving up this year’s FRP is a big ask, though.
     
  18. OremLK

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    I think I would rather give up 2024 than some other pick, except perhaps our own 2026 or 2027 picks when we'll likely/hopefully be really good. I don't see how we find playing time for another rookie next season. I suppose there's a chance we're giving up a top 4 pick, which would be way too much for Sexton and Olynyk, but those odds are only what, 1 in 10 or so? More likely it will be a mid-first rounder in a weak draft.
     
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    Hmm, it would be him + Olynyk, and to be fair Sexton was a top 10 pick himself and is only 25, and on a good long-term contract. Also keep in mind this draft class sucks, like really sucks.
     

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