Sengun/FVV-centric offense won't survive long term

Folks want Jalen Green to unlearn bad habits during the Silas era, well, FVV has habits too, they are not bad but he cannot change 7 years of his career.....

The thing he had to learn was playmaking ...

 

FVV has had a massive positive impact on the Rockets, to a large extent because he simply GIVES ALPI THE DAMN BALL.

KPJ and Jalen did barely do that, and the coach then did not hold them accountable, or even encouraged them to play like that.

It's really as simple as that.

 

That stat isn't accurate. Per NBA.com stats:

FVV: Restricted Area (42.9%), Paint Non-RA (37.3%), Midrange (45.6%)
Jalen Green: Restricted Area (56.1%), Paint Non-RA (36.5%), Midrange (31.9%)

The numbers show that FVV is better in the midrange than Jalen Green.

 

Blimey, then I am not sure why it was so hard to give Scottie Barnes the ball, I guess he has 40 million reasons to do it here.....

 

Pretty sure he gave it to him plenty, no idea what went on in the locker room there.

 

I didn’t walk anything back or move any goal posts.

The point of your post was that Sengun Fvv (Sengun Centric ) can’t work. I used Denver AS AN EXAMPLE that it can.

You responded with one stat about Jamal Murray.

I said ok so FVv isn’t quite Jamal Murray but he is similar, and the Denver model is proven to work.

So where in gods name was any goal post movement there?

 

I feel one component you're missing is the fact that on every possession, someone has to take a shot. And the problem is that if Sengun isn't getting a good one, who else can create? Jabari/Tari/Tate/Uncle Jeff/Holiday are all role players on offense. Now, IMO Jabari honestly should be aiming for more than that, but he isn't really trying to be aggressive on most nights. Brooks can be high usage but clearly he is trying to be mostly a role player. So really when Sengun isn't around, there's only FVV and Jalen Green willing to create. And as you stated both of them suck at it! And while Amen and Cam both have potential, neither shoots well enough to be carrying any offensive load at this point.

Yes, we can all agree that the Rockets offense will be better if FVV shoots less. But that is predicated on the Rockets having a better offensive creator option. Someone like a Lillard or a Booker. But we don't have that person, and that's a personnel issue not a coaching issue.

 

If Cam, Amen, and Jalen want shots at the rim they are free to do so. The fact that Jalen has 85 shots at the rim, Jabari has 69, Brooks has 56, and FVV has 50 means the shot selection is already there. No one has said FVV is a good finisher. That isn't the argument. The argument is that you can't just take those rim attempts and give them to someone else. He can kick out for the three more or he can force the pass to Sengun more on the PNR. But he cannot get Jalen or Jabari at the rim more when we're targeting Sengun in the middle.

On a broader point. If you want the ball out of FVV and Sengun's hands as much, find better decision makers. If you want the pretty prime Spurs offense you need to find your Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Diaw, and Kawhi. The ball finds its way into the hands of those who can make plays. Once those guys retired Pop suddenly couldn't coach offense anymore. Udoka coached offense just fine in Boston with multiple scorers and playmakers, we simply don't have that luxury here. Forcing shots onto players not ready to make the leap isn't development. If that were the case Jalen would be an all star by now.

 

This is all just a very thinly disguised “I want to be right about Jalen Green” thread. But I couldn’t get through his other incoherent essays on Jalen Greens progression either.

 

Spamming FVV Sengun PnR is not a Denver Jokic offense. I don't know where you get that from. Denvers offense looks nothing like ours with the exception of Sengun being a great player

 

FVV shot 49% on layups the past two seasons and 45+ every year of his career. This season appears to be an outlier.

 

Seeing the 13.5 FGA per 36, 20% USG rate, 8.6 assists 1.8 turnovers player

as a problem on offense is bad propaganda

 

So, let me make sure I have this right...are you are saying:

1. That the Murray-Jokic PNR isn't the staple of Denver offense?
2. The way FVV and Sengun manipulate defenses with the PNR isn't simmilar to the way Jokic and Murray do it?

 

It will evolve over time. I would like to see Smith more but off of movement.

 

Pure blasphemy!
Alperenites Unite!

 

Thinly disguised “I’ve spent the last two years pumping up Jalen Green and now that he is failing I’m going to blame Fvv and the coach” thread.

Let’s get a few things straight

1. Fred shoots 45% on shots in the mid range. He does not “suck at 2 point shots”, 45% is very good for mid range and that’s a 2 point shot. He does suck at finishing at the rim, but needs to still drive to open up the rest of his game. Fred is scoring at 56.4% TS overall, which is very good considering he is only being assisted on 41% of his overall shots, meaning he has to create the majority of his own shots.

2. Your contention is that the Rockets offense being mediocre has to do with Ime’s coaching, let’s check on the individual players. Fred is efficient considering how much he has to create. Sengun is supremely efficient. Jabari and Brooks are both near 60% ts as role players. I wonder who it is dragging down the efficiency of the starting lineup?? Which goes back to why this thread was started and why the blame is put on everyone else except this person in question.

Our offense sure would be a lot better if we had a dynamic and efficient shooting guard who could take pressure off of Fvv and Sengun! Too bad we don’t have that.

 

Chapter 7: Green demise - it’s everyone else’s fault