(Basketball) Intelligence is an underrated skill - as is being a "competitive warrior"

I am suing ATW for copyright infringement. He used my sig for his thread title.

 

cats are the apex ballers,100x quicker than dawgs

 

We all know that Silas gave Green an unhealthy degree of liberty. I worry that 1) this was based on a considered assessment that Green needed to play that way, and 2) that assessment was correct.

 

No no no, you are doing it wrong, it was all KPJ’s fault.

DD

 

Really boring thread.

 

Udoka has paired Sengun with FVV and Brooks almost exclusively much of the year so a lineup without Sengun likely also is missing our best defender and best playmaker. That puts Jalen's minutes without Sengun even more at a disadvantage.

 

Does this apply to the game day fits?

Jalen is competitive.

 

Is this what an "I told you so about Alpi" post looks like?

Do we all get to create an "I told you so" post about Alpi?

 

I totally agree with that and it's worth noting that the people you referenced above all came to us during the Morey era of ignoring projections and focusing on raw statistical production - asking the question of who actually get's it done at the end of the day regardless of size or speed

 

Jalen/Fred/Dillon on but Sengun off is -10.35 net rating. Jalen/Fred on and Dillon/Sengun off is -50.61 net rating. Jalen/Dillon on and Fred/Sengun off is -53.77 net rating.

 

How many minutes is that though? I would imagine those are small sample sizes

 

I see this as another variation of the struggles Clyde went through initially playing with Hakeem. It took him a few months to figure out how and where to get his shots in the flow of the offense. The additional challenge here is that Green was still learning how and where to get his shots in 5 out spacing and wasn’t even consistent there.

Where I think there’s some quick fixes - he needs to start understanding how to cut when he’s off ball. If he starts cutting consistently, he will pick up 6-8 easy pts a game at the rim. Add in 4-6 elbow jumpers a game and he can have a base offensive floor of 14-16 pts on high efficiency shooting.

 

less fastbreaks and the pace being slower now probably isn't helping him either, but overall green is far too slow/indecisive with the ball in his hands. he needs to read quicker and get more efficient with his attack instead of wasting empty dribbles while defenders load up. clyde was already an mvp level player before he got to us, but green looks like he's never been coached before this autumn.

like you said, the easiest adjustment is he has to work off alpi's passing skills... and cut to the rim like kj was doing last season. a few dunks and hopefully his confidence comes back

 

Not only the sample sizes are small (after all you cannot play a unit with -50 rating a lot) but they come as the combination of many 1 or 2 minutes periods. These 5s are changed before they can get any rhythm usually and the variance is extremely high. So it is an indication but certainly not something to draw strong results from.

If you go look at the particular 5s with the most minutes played for this context(caveat: how do I tell whether J. Green is jeff or jalen?):

J. Green - F. VanVleet - A. Holiday - J. Tate - T. Eason HOU 11 25 113.7 86.5 27.2 (gp, min, offr, defr, netrating)

J. Green - F. VanVleet - J. Smith Jr. - T. Eason - A. Thompson HOU 1 7 76.9 108.3 -31.4

J. Green - D. Brooks - J. Green - J. Tate - A. Thompson HOU 2 4 25.0 137.5 -112.5

D. Brooks - A. Holiday - J. Green - J. Smith Jr. - T. Eason HOU 1 2 120.0 150.0 -30.0

The first two are with green/fvv. First one is 25 min in total, but still 2 min per game on average. It suggests that Holiday compensates for the scoring and playmaking of Sengun, and they somehow survived on defense. In the long run I think this 5 can do well on some days and bad on other days, probably neutral overall.

The second one is just 7 minutes but it is all from one game. I think with Amen on the floor, they miss too much on both playmaking and scoring.

The last two are with Brooks in, fvv/sengun out. Very small sample size and the one with most minutes(3rd row) has 25 offensive rating, which is clearly worse than what they could do in the long run. Still, I don't think Green can do anything with a tate, brooks and thompson. And this 5 will terribly struggle to score.

when you insert brooks, it becomes better. They have a terrible defensive rating but it is just 2 minutes. This could do better in the long run.

So, from a perspective of evaluating Green, he seems to need a primary playmaker to have a better offense, which is in line with my eye test. They are going to run out Green and see what he can do, which I think is the correct strategy, because it is a developmental year still. But he really needs to take a step forward in one of shooting, getting to the rim or playmaking. It is a disaster when he cannot do any of these.

 

More minutes with specific lineup is fine if the coaches think it's needed.

Our roster is not perfect but any means, but if he doesn't work with this and doesn't work with that, isn't that concerning?

Do all the planets must align in order for one player to be league average? Last couple years the roster was bent ever which way, for two specific guys.

Shouldn't a max potential player not only give his fair share, but makes his teammates better.

Shouldn't a franchise potential player be flexible to be functional in at least one, maybe two normal NBA offenses?

We can still try stuff. If 4/5 out is what he's comfortable, run it with Cam, Bullock, Holiday and Jeff Green, plenty of spacing there.

If players X doesn't fit with line up a, b c d and e. Then is it the lineup that's the issue, or is it the player.

I'm not against team trying things, but also the fact that if he can't adapt to basic NBA offenses, PnR, iso rim attacks, catch n shoots, basic stuff that even role players are expected to do, then what are we doing here.


Maybe when Jackson gets to interview JG, he can ask JG how he feels about reading defenses. Not just as main ball handler, but when he's off ball. Can he anticipate how plays unfold.

If a coach picks a random player out of a hat of a team they faced this season, can he recite that player's tendencies and weakness? Sometimes I really do wonder if certain players actually prep for work and study the game. Silas is gone, have to get serious about the craft.