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It's time to start thinking about moving Jalen to the BENCH

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jim1961, Dec 26, 2023.

  1. invocux

    invocux Member

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    Yea i was against this idea couple weeks ago but Jalen's shooting is getting worse and worse. He's flat out better than Green. His form is fine and he's a better 3pt shooter imo AND he hustles on defense.
     
  2. invocux

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    Ime is lying they are thinking about it. He's a head coach it's his job to maximize the output. His entire job is doing whatever it takes to win more games. He knows that his team is better wo Jalen than with Jalen that's why his minutes dropped. He's now observing how they play wo him, gatherin data soon he will be completely convinced that this team is more functional without him and when that happens Jalen will turn into a dead weight needs to be shipped. He's starting to realize that this team badly needs a reliable shooting guard.
     
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  3. cumutk

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    Absolutely agree with you.
    Look, l like Jalen, he is very young and may have long learning curve compared to others.
    But the thing is his performance is not about form or less training. This kid has fundamental deficiencies that had to be taught when you are 10-11 years old in high school basketball teams.
    He has no idea what to do on field, athleticism may take you NBA, but you can not survive only with athleticism in NBA, if you are not Ja Morant and he is not, it is clear.
    I dont really know what to do with him, but all brings is harm when starts...
    Sad but True..
     
  4. deb4rockets

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    That's gonna backfire the more they play him. His shooting proficiency goes down every season.
     
  5. daywalker02

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    It is a first round exit with or without Jalen so I doubt they are going to put all the eggs in the basket this year.

    • Maybe not even survive the one or two Game of Play In.
    • They were going to run FVV and DB into the ground no matter what.......
    • Maybe this offseason or next season they make a big splashy move.

     
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    I hope nothing has been said.

    Lifestyle choices.

    IMO, Green would/will cry out and then try to sue because he is being discriminated against. That is part of the culture and generation. The data collected may not be just for basketball reasons. Because it may happen anyway. Moving way from a Green centered organization will not be easy. THEY HAVE NO THOUGHTS OF DOING ANYTHING…

    The lawyerGM has to think like this.

    This is all just a Random Though
     
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    Run fast jump high beat his man to cup….
    AAU basketball masterclass.

    shame on this front office (or anyone else that had him at the top of their boards) for not seeing that he was never a player that could play with in a system. FO were woo’d by the high school dunks, millions of social media followers, his looks and big curly hair.


    Now that hype dust has settled, they now realize they have a lemon and the rest of the league dodged a bullet. Hate the guy, but Simmons was right - he isn’t a winning player. Hes A chucker and we just happened to see him score a lot on A terrible team the last two years. He hasn’t improved. And sadly, his single handedly costing us winning games where an AVG competent shooting guard helps us win the games we’ve lost that should have been won. We’d be 5 games over 500 otherwise

    the fact that we’re still play in tourney eligible with this nonsense and benching our starting 2 guard every fourth quarter is a miracle
     
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    I believe that Mr. Sudoku will do the right thing and bench him despite all that.
     
  9. daywalker02

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    They actually tripled quadrupled down on athletes.....

    KPJ
    Jalen Green
    Amen Thompson
    Cameron Whitmore.....

    (Tari and Alpe are decent athletes)

    While some of them would succeed, those were big big risks.
     
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    I think Ime holds himself partially responsible for breaking Jalen down, even though it was necessary. Knowing Ime's ego, I think that he truly believes that they can get Jalen right.

    If not he and KPJ will have turned John Wall into a prophet. He called this possible outcome. It is what it is at this point.
     
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  11. GOATuve

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    Agreed.

    It is all speculation and reality is none of us really know. There's definitely something wrong though. It doesn't make sense for his game to drop off this drastically so quickly
     
  12. GOATuve

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    Wall isn't a Saint himself but he's been around the league and knows when a culture is bad. Stone and Silas knew it and allowed that garbage to continue. KPJ was absolutely the worst teammate to pair Green with and instead of cutting ties they gave him the reigns to the offense. It's inconceivable how stupid a decision that was. Jalen learned from the worst possible person and now they're having to attempt to rebuild him from the ground up.
     
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    Dang, the way John says sweet....it is bittersweet.

     
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    It kind of does make sense though. Green was good at being a tank commander, padding his scoring to the detriment of the team... but now they have a coach that is trying to win.

    Jalen hasn't ever played winning basketball and right now it seems to be a square peg trying to fit into a round hole.
     
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    Wall wasn't wrong, but Wall was also pretty much done as a player. He's out of the league right now at age 33. Last season 2022-23 with the Clippers. Nobody picked him up; not for a vet min or by the Wizards (for mentoring), which his jersey would likely retire there.

    He did us a solid by keeping quiet while he was here, and we paid him handsomely for the remainder of that contract. Paid vacation; the org didn't do him wrong.

    The KPJ and Green minutes were spent, so if we do move on, there'd be no 'what-ifs' or excuses. Some folks holding out for Green, which I'm ok with, but fan base can't say we didn't give them the playing time to prove themselves.
     
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    I feel like this is the right thing to do. No sense in continuing to beat his shattered confidence by starting the game, letting him miss 5 shots and benching him for it.

    Maybe he finds confidence in his abilities again as a focal point off the bench rather than an afterthought with the starters. He’s improved his defense and playmaking but the shot has fallen off a cliff, I’ve never seen anything like it. Something’s gotta give.
     
  17. GOATuve

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    They didn't draft Green to tank though. They believed he was a cornerstone piece. Obviously they missed badly (should have picked Barnes). I don't think Green was looking to pad his stats. He just had no accountability or basketball IQ. He's just an athlete. I like that Ime doesn't mind benching him.

    And unfortunately that's too common with the AAU culture now. Maybe Ime can salvage him. We'll see. At least we have a coach intelligent enough to run the offense through Alpi
     
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    It's time for a pulled hamstring followed by an extended G-league stint to run the sets and find his swagger. We could get a mid to late first for a 40 point per night G League Green at the deadline.
     
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  19. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't really blame him, he was never forced to earn his role or earn his minutes. He'd chuck his way to 20 points and everyone would praise him for it as the Rockets lost by 30 and they'd blame all of his shortcomings on others.

    He was never forced to play winning basketball so he never did.

    That's just to be expected from a young kid who was handed the keys to the franchise and never held to account.

    I still think he could salvage his career and find a niche in a Gerald Green/Corey Brewer type bench role maybe even a Lou Williams role if he truly dedicates himself to learning to shoot the 3 ball consistently.....but obviously that's disappointing when so many delusional fanbois were hailing him as the next Kobe.
     
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    He did not get benched for his 5 missed shots.
     
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