It's time to start thinking about moving Jalen before the deadline

Ja has solidified the ability to finish with both hands as well. His left is just as good as his right

 

I think you'd be right if he was older. Him being 21 means he very much could put this in his game. He's been shooting more middies which accomplish the same thing. 21 year old players are rarely finished products.

The thing is, when Ja drives, the defense is terrified. They know he's either going to pass to an open shooter, drop in a floater, or finish (or get fouled) at the rim.

When Jalen drives the defense knows to just meet him at the rim pretty much.

Again, I don't think he's hopeless, I know people here think that he's a lost cause but like...if he is working on his midrange game people have to realize that takes actual time. This is not a video game, it takes hours of work and practice to actually acquire that kind of shot. It's not something that happens overnight and its not something we'll get instant results from.

I do think Ja is a good player for him to model his offensive game after though since both are more finesse finishers who are average shooters at best.

Of course Ja is just so much better as a playmaker too which I kind of doubt Jalen will ever get to that level.

 

Admittingly I have been pretty reluctant to move Green simply because I think the return wouldn't be worth it. But... I wanted Dejounte Murray pre KPJ's exit and thought he would pair well next to Green but I'm warming to another pairing minus Green. Hawks have not been good and maybe they want some change and cap space next season as Murray's new contract kicks in next year.

 

Nope not trading Amen.

 

Even worse since it's been whispered that Donovan has his sights on a big market. Guy has played in Utah and Cleveland I imagine he's going to try to get his way to Miami or New York.

 

I think it's not neccesarly people hate Jalen. He is just a personification of a ****ing failure of this organization to tank like they did and not capitalize on high picks. We are now 3/3 on missed talent from the top 4 picks. Everybody high on Amen but it's half of the season and bro didn't play 2 games straight

 

Lol. No, the other team forces the switch with pick & roll and singles out Sengun. It's not Ime's job to play defense for Sengun

 

I also don't think Jalen is nearly the same athlete as Morant in terms of vertical explosiveness on drives. Jalen might be just as quick, but he actually doesn't explode upwards like Ja, instead Jalen kinda drifts forward, which is why he gets blocked so much.

 

I think about this a lot. Mobley, Franz and Barnes are definitely going to be much better players than Jalen. Stone probably got it wrong on Jalen, but the biggest sin was compounding the mistake by putting him in a terrible developmental situation. After all, he was the rawest of the top prospects and was gonna need the most development. I can’t forgive that we couldn’t get Mobley in for a workout because of Stone’s misguided obsession with KPJ. And the truth is we just haven’t seen much growth from Jalen since we drafted him. Our org has to own all of it.

While I think it’s pretty clear that Bari is going to be a really good player, he’s probably not going to be a star player. That’s also a disappointment for a top 3 pick in a really good draft. It’s not so much that we drafted Bari at #3. Most GMs would have done the same. But the fact that we were very unprepared for how that draft played out with Paolo going #1 means we probably didn’t have the most accurate eval of Jabari (especially cause he never worked out for us). Again it was unfortunate that we put him in a toxic environment his first year, but the truth is that Shaden Sharpe and potentially Ivey are likely to be better players. Things can certainly change. It takes bigs longer to develop and Bari is super young, but we certainly didn’t nail that #3 pick.

I do honestly think it’s too early to pass judgement on Amen. If he underperforms next season it’s fair to worry, but his injury issues are just bad luck and would derail anyone’s rookie campaign. I’m very hopeful for Amen and Cam but I don’t think we really know what we have yet.

but lastly to your point, our top 21’ & 22’ picks have been disappointing relative to their draft peers. While we’ve hit on some mid round picks, people holding up our draft record as proof of Stone’s competence are over-stating things. It’s been a mixed bag, especially when you consider that none of our late 1st rounders have panned out at all.

 

Are you tagging failure on a guy who happened to have two freak ankle injuries?

 

After the Harden trade, I was naive to think that the rebuild would be solved by tanking for high draft picks to find that future star to build around. A lot of teams try that, don't get lucky in the draft, and stay bad for years. Pistons are going through that right now. We didn't need to go all in on tanking to get Sengun or Eason who are the best-performing draft picks thus far. Stone should've strived to put together a respectable team with veterans in place to give the guys he did draft a better environment to develop in. Looking back it was kind of idiotic to think that giving first and second-year guys a bunch of NBA minutes for development was beneficial.

 

I think I just saw this car on I-10.

 

PREFACE: I don't like or dislike Jalen!

I'm neither a Hatfield or McCoy, I'm more of a HaCoy when I see Jalen. One side of me sees a 21yr old who could eventually become one of our cornerstones and the other side sees a player that after 2 1/2 years in the league has shown no discernable growth to speak of! Fricken Silas really put us in a pickle with this kid because by now we should have a pretty clear cut idea who we drafted!

Like I've said in previous posts, we tanked for JALEN & BARI not Sengun & Tari! We need to get the most value for that #2 pick and if there is an upgrade trade to be made we have to STRONGLY consider it!! The NBA as a whole is taking notice of Sengun blossoming under Ime but our highest lottery pick from the tank era is showing severe stagnation?? That would be a huge red flag for me if I was considering to trade for him....

IMHO, sadly I think the ship has sailed on a possible quality trade for him, and if we do trade him it would be for pennies on the dollar! I would definitely keep him if that was the case!! The good thing is that we have an emerging star in Sengun along with other very young players on our team that have star potential!! AND we also have one of the better coaches in the league!!

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yes the same way you tagging failure because McGradys back injured and the same way Fultz is a failure due to the accident. Amen just doesn't play and if he played he didn't look too spectacular yet. Maybe he will turn it around maybe he won't. History of rookies in this organization tells me sadly he won't.

btw Jalen rn is like this talented student that skipped 70% of the classes(Gleague + 2 years of NBA) and now tries to learn it all at once for a test. It won't work. He might pass but he won't be top student

 

Jalen Green and KPJ were pretty much allowed to run free the last couple of seasons. The latter is of course gone; the former isn't given the same preferential treatment and the adjustment period is rough. I'm sure the discussion between coaching and management is, "He really doesn't have a lot of fundamentals, he relied on athleticism and cool hair, even though he wants to learn. How far he'll go will depend on him."

 

it was that's why anybody with a brain dipped. I would even prefer wall and boogie team over that bs Silas pulled

 

The truth was he really did not look that great in his 2nd season either, yeah he had couple 40+ scoring nights but you have to look up how many minutes he played during that season and that he was chucking it up.....and role players were actively looking for him....

I was thinking to myself, how much more help can a sophomore get in his 2nd year......

 

Yeah, I don't want to pretend to be a scout. ether, but like you I watched a couple of those ignite games. Honestly, I left those thinking: "Well there has to be something they know that I don't". Because in the games I watched he wasn't showing it.

 

I see what you are saying. My point is that it is clear to me that there are some flaws in his game that go beyond coaching. Like, I understand that a good coach will help guys develop into better NBA players, but some of the stuff Jalen struggles with is so basic that I don't think coaching is gong to help anything.