I’m happy Udoka is being smart about when to give Tari more minutes and not afraid to do it. I don’t hope Jalen continues to struggle, but if he does, then of course you roll with Tari or whoever else earns the minutes. Jeff Green even got the call over Alpi in the 4th quarter.
Yeah, I am fine with him continuing to start Green and when he is going good he plays more, when he doesn't Eason plays more......but Jalen needs to pick it up, Cam is in the wings waiting, and we are clearly better with him on the bench most games. DD
I am fine with Lou Williams if Jalen gets a Lou WIlliams contract, and he is satisfied with it. What usually happens in slow developing players is they move on somewhere else before blossoming - Lavine etc....if that is not happening the sooner he moves on for the Rockets sake the better. DD
I was a fan of Green"s, he hasn't shown the improvement I've wanted to see in the 2 plus yrs. I'm beginning to wonder. If they could package Green and picks for a star level player then I'm in. I'm not trading him for garbage though. Truth is Eason is in the process of developing more than Green and at a faster pace
If Jalen doesn't show a significant improvement from last season and we keep getting games like this out of Tari, at some point this season, they have to consider it. I don't care if Tari is a 2 guard or not. Between he, Bari and Brooks, that's elite defense that can switch on any position. And with FVV and Sengun generating most of the offense, I don't know that you need a traditional SG in the starting lineup. The name of the game with the rebuild should be finding guys who play winning basketball. Tari can. Jalen hasn't proven that he can. The clock is ticking...
Green has the ball in his hands the most of any player on the Rockets. His assist and turnover percentages are nearly the same. He is a shitty shooter in the midrange, yet takes an inordinate amount of shots from there, especially on step backs. His team is about 10 points better when he sits his ass on the bench. In 20 games played, he has assisted on 139 points. So his teammates score less than 7 points per game of his assists. The dude is an efficient volume scorer, that is always going to be what he is because he doesn't understand how to be better.
It's what I said when Eason came off the IL. @fchowd0311 thought it was crazy due to Green's +/-. I wonder if he still feels the same way.
Why would you think that? Are 2 week stretches the other way going to convince you of the opposite? If Green gets his career high which would be in the 40s or 50s do I come back and do a gotcha? Is that how it works? You people are so damn short sighted it's kinda absurd at this point.
3 years is not short sighted, you need to step back and take a look at the whole picture, he has flatlined...... DD
It about Green's career. After 6 games you were on about Green's great on/off stats. Have you looked at what they look like after 21 games? Have you looked at Eason's? Eason doesn't have star power (Green has it, but cant seem to take the next step) , but he's a winning player, IMO.
It isn't an Eason vs Green scenario - it is who gives the TEAM the best chance to win, and it isn't even close, Green isn't a good NBA player, he is just a poor shooting chucker at this point. He needs tons of work on his fundamentals - and he needs the ball, he won't get that in Houston, IMHO, you trade him now - while other teams may blame the Rockets for his lack of development other than the truth, that Green lacks BBall fundamentals and IQ.... I would be packaging him, with picks to get someone else now - let's see what the org does. DD
I just think Rockets need to find ways to get Green involved because right now it ain’t it and its the same issue Green ran into the first half of his rookie season when the lanes were clogged and he was limited to being a jump shooter. His overall touches have decreased from 65.9 per game last year to 59.3 this year and front court touches 34.1 to 27.5. This is due to the addition of FVV who ranks in top 10 in touches. Silas allowed Green a lot of room to operate in those 5 out and pistol sets. Wood’s stretch ability also helped similar to how Boston uses Porzingis. Just a more freeflow style we saw him play in the last 2 years with 1-4 isos, 5 out, pistol, back screen cuts with a lob etc. It will be interesting if Udoka makes any adjustments at all. The fast break right now is just awful. Something has to give.
I would love if Green would prove us all wrong, but I think we'll look back at Jalen Green a decade from now as the biggest missed opportunity of the rebuild. Sengun, Bari and Tari all look to be progressing nicely. Verdict is still out on Amen and Cam, but I'm more optimistic about them than Jalen at this point. He has just hasn't improved enough on all the weaknesses he had coming into the draft. And while he's made progress on some of the little things like rebounding and defensive effort, the one key area he was supposed to be elite in (scoring), he's just far, far from it.
And he has very little understanding of how to play the game when he doesn't have the ball in his hands....fundamentally he is weak, physically, he is weak, as a player, he is weak. He needs to show major progress by the trade deadline or time to cut and run. DD
Yeah dude I agree, it's just that when I started to think to myself "alright, 5 out, let's see what lineup we could do that with..." that I started to realize it's not so easy. Currently, the only time we play 5 out is with Jeff Green on the floor. In the entire season we have only played 30 total minutes with Sengun, Landale, and Jeff Green off the court. And I think that was probably garbage time. Ime doesn't seem interested in playing without 1 of those guys on the floor at center. Which means the only way we can get 5 out is in Jeff Green minutes. If we want to totally depart from that, maybe I'd like to see some small ball lineups with Bari at the 5? But that doesn't seem realistic, Ime does not seem interested. So lets stick with reality. If we wanna get realistic 5 out lineups where Jalen gets to cook, we're looking for Jalen Green and Jeff Green ON and VanVleet OFF, right? So what are the best options there? I think Aaron Holiday has shown that hes a really good catch and shoot guy, and comfortable without the ball in his hands, so I think we can slot him in, and there's your backcourt. I think the following would be good lineups to give Jalen a chance to play more Silas-style ball (I'm cringing writing that, but you know what I mean). Holiday, Green, X, X, Jeff Green So now there are two spots open for our two forwards, honestly I think Bari and Tari would be ideal here? Or Bari and Dillon. Really anything with Bari and without Tate would be good here. I think Tari has shown enough this year that I'll consider him a shooter and spacer. Maybe even some combos with Reggie Bullock at the 3? Looking this up on nba.com it looks like we basically never do this, which checks out. I looked for lineups that have Jalen, Bari, Holiday, and Jeff Green, and the one we've played the most is the one I mentioned - Green, Holiday, Bari, Tari, Green - and they've played for a whopping 3 minutes so far this season. With an 11.9 net rating! Obviously a useless number with only 3 minutes lol but yeah, the point is that Jalen never really gets to play like this. Another cool one is Green, Bullock, Holiday, Bari, Tari - this lineup has an offensive rating of 216.7, wow! Imagine if we scored 200 points per game! But similarly they have only played 3 minutes this entire season. Anyway, yeah, it sucks man. I want to see Jalen thrive. I wish he could get more opportunities like this.
