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Will the offense run through Yao, Tracy, or both ?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Troy McClure, Aug 28, 2004.

  1. Troy McClure

    Troy McClure Member

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    I still don't feel like this has been answered for me. Is this season's offense going to be run through Yao Ming or Tracy Mcgrady. Will we have the same type of offense as last year, only run " better" with the addition of Mcgrady. Will have a Lakers' style offense ? Can a team have two focal points ? Could Tracy really handle not being it ? Most importantly, in the final seconds of a game, who do we want with the ball ? What happened to Neve Campbell ? Is there a God ?

    OKay, that's enough.
     
  2. m_cable

    m_cable Member

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    How about a question from me. Seriously, can you explain the whole fish thing? I've been wondering for years.
     
  3. indaclubam2pm

    indaclubam2pm Contributing Member

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    as long as it works
     
  4. 4Shoposite

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    I believe the offense will be ran through both - but Yao will touch it a lot earlier in the games and coming out of halves.

    You can't say right now - as both Yao and Tracy have the height advantage at their position every time they hit the floor - so it will be how JVG sees the matchup at the given time. In a big man - little man combo, there's really no clear cut 1st option...as each are suppose to play off eachother given the matchup and their different but meshing skills.

    I would say - "who cares".
     
  5. KeepKenny

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    The ball should go into yao first. He will score a few easy baskets to establish the tone, and will be doubled for the rest of the game. Then, we use that to get Tmac going, who in turn will be able to create easy baskets for Yao. So the answer is both.
     
  6. DavidS

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    1) Similar, but not identical
    2) Yes, but there's a pecking order: First McGrady, then Yao. In the end, it still will take a team effort to win it all.
    3) Tracy has stated that he's willing to "give up shots (to Yao)" in order to help the team.
    4) McGrady gets the buzzer beaters most of the time; unless someone else is wide open (same with Yao). Again, it's a team effort.
    5) She's alive and well ->>> see link http://www.chez.com/neve/sexy/nevebody.jpg
    6) Only if you have faith! :)
     
  7. blazer_ben

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    It depends on the Opposing teams and matchups. for exampel you might See tracy being more dominant and taking more shots, because Yao will be too busy handeling Shaq. Vice versa with a team like LA who has kobe.

    But in the end, the general Conesnsus is this Will be Yao ming's team.
     
  8. TheFreak

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  9. m_cable

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    We don't need no stinking offense.
     
  10. buiyahkah

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    if you mean the "fish" symbol that you see on cars and advertisements, i've got your answer. during the times when christians were persecuted, they identified each other by drawing the top arc of the "fish" in the dirt. if the other person was also a believer, he would complete the picture by drawing another arc underneath the first one to make a "fish" like this: <><...if this isn't what you were asking about then oh well...lol. oh yea, and the offense is definitely going thru yao first...t-mac even said he's going to defer to yao. let's just hope that'll stay true...
     
  11. m_cable

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    Um, thanks. But I was sort of referring to the unspeakable things that people do with fish, that I wanted to get spoken about.
     
  12. GreenVegan76

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    As long as Van Gundy is coaching, the Rockets offense will be funneled through Yao Ming.

    McGrady is a brilliant scorer, though, so it'll be interesting to see how Van Gundy incorporates him into his offense.
     
  13. Just B

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    I think it'll just depend on who the Rockets are playing. If they play someone like...the Lakers (who now have NO player inside who can handle Yao) they'll run through Yao. If they play someone who has better defense inside than outside, they'll probably run it through T-Mac....

    Overall though, I'll say Yao because it's JVG coaching them.;)
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    If McGrady isn't the first option on offense, Van Gundy should be fired. Yao is a good scorer and he should definitely be getting plenty of touches. Besides, a dominant lowpost scorer opens the floor for others. But, really McGrady is the better talent this year. He's older and more veteran and is a better scorer. His offense is more versatile and harder to stymie. And, his presence also opens up the floor for others. So, I would expect VG to go to Yao in the low post, especially early, but it should be and likely will by McGrady taking the plurality of the shots and have the highest ppg.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    If I were the coach, I would run a number of things...

    Early in the shot clock, I would get the ball down to Yao as that will be the best way to draw double teams from the defense. If Yao is not doubled, he takes his man, if he is doubled, he passes to the open man (much like the Dream era). If the double comes from the 4 spot, JHow has the ability to make the midrange jumper or to dive to the basket. With the way Yao is able to see over the defense and pass, we should see great production from JHow, production we were missing with Cato at the 4. If TMacs man doubles (unlikely), the choice is obvious. If the defense rotates off of JJ, he has the ability to hit the 3 ball or go to the hole, and if they rotate off of Lue, Ward, or Sura, all three of them can hit open jumpers.

    Late in the shot clock, all bets are off and TMac gets the ball to do what he does best. If teams double him as he drives to the basket, Yao or JHow should have open lanes for dunks (TMac passes VERY well) or the perimeter players will have open shots.

    If teams are fronting Yao on the block, I would have him rotate to the high post to run pick and rolls with TMac from the elbow. If Yao is able to establish position in the high post, I would also run give and gos with TMAc to try and draw the defense off of Yao to give him the uncontested midrange jumper, which Yao makes at a pretty high percentage.
     
  16. DavidS

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    There ya go! Fight that political correctness. ;)

    With Yao not yet able to play 35-40 minutes, add the grueling 82 game season. McGrady should make up the bulk of the offense. This does not mean that Yao will be shutout. No, to the contrary. Like JuanValdez said, go to Yao early and lets establish the post/inside presence. Then, that will open up the court of the rest of the players. That's just smart basketball.

    McGrady is also capable of being more mobile for the last few seconds of a game; for the shot or passing. He's a low turnover SG, so he's a good passing guard. And lets not forget the other THREE players on the court. They are part of the team too. They need to be included.

    McGrady stats production should change too: More like 24/7/8. Yes, he's capable of that. He doesn't have to score 29pts. Not on this team. Lets also see if Yao can achieve 20/10 (17.5/9 last year) in better condition and with better passing guard(s).

    24/7/8 <----"Main man"
    17.5/9 <----Not yet ready for "main man"

    It's also going to be fun to watch the 2-man-game between McGrady and Yao. I mean, if you like the alley-oops from Francis to Cato. Just think about the alley-oops (or passing to the cutter) from Yao to a slashing McGrady (and vice-versa)! :eek: A 6'9" SG is a big target for Yao. As is a 7'6" center for McGrady's passing.
     
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  17. emjohn

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    I strongly suspect that we'll see a halfcourt offense initiated by Ward feeding Yao in the post, or Ward swinging to McGrady who will feed the ball into the post.

    McGrady will be the second option in the halfcourt offense, but given Yao's tendencies to kick the ball out rather than fight doubles, that will be plenty to work off of.

    McGrady should also be able to get plenty of points off high P&Rs with Yao, weakside cuts to the basket while Yao posts, and fastbreaks.

    I wouldn't expect to see McGrady posting unless Yao is sitting.

    Evan
     
  18. room4rentsf

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    I think the offense needs to be run through Yao this will take some pressure off TMac and allow him to play off the ball. Of course we will look for him and get him opportunites but everything starts with the man in the middle.

    Tmac may initiate the offense but everything should be run though Yao unless he needs a break and/or gets tired.

    I hope we see more ball movement too.. maybe make a few perimeter passes before dumping it into Yao. I have noticed when people are more involved in the offense they seem more involved in the defense.

    Yao in particular seems to have better overall games when he is heavily involved in the offense. Meaning more blocks/rebs/ and just being more active. It may be more of a mental thing but it seems to be true.

    TMac will always find opportunites to score since he is a guard the ball will most likely touch his hands on every possesion but its the big guys that cant do much (offensively) unless someone passes them the ball. (exception being getting offensive rebounds)

    J
     
  19. don grahamleone

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    I think the real question is: who is better at playing football, Yao or Tracy?

    I think Tracy would be much better. He seems to be more coordinated and to be a stronger runner. Yao seems like he'd be easy to push over. That being said, I think they would both play wide reciever and Yao's unusual height might make him an easy target for quaterbacks to hit, but Tracy's ability to go up and get the ball makes him an option on every play.

    Who to pick, who to pick.


    Confuse the hell out of myself and a few others today: check.
     
  20. m_cable

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    If you just brought in Yao on defense against Field goals and extra points, that'd be worth a couple points a game easy.
     

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