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The Presidents of Harvard, MIT, Penn, Columbia should be forced to resign

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2023.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    The issue with almost all offensive speech is speech versus action. That was what they were having difficulty explaining. They were saying when such speech is directed at a particular person, say saying to a Jewish person “all Jews must die!” Versus chanting it in the street in general. Again make no mistake that is hateful but as in Charlottesville the Unite the Right marchers were allowed to chant “Jews will not Replace Us!” And that was considered protected free speech.

    Stefanik is also playing for the camera by not allowing them to get out a full response.

    The University Presidents certainly did a poor job but this is always difficult balancing the rights to free speech with speech that is hateful.
     
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    Again to not that many in the Right have argued that speakers who have said racist, misogynistic, and homophobic speech should be allowed to speak on college campus and that campus shouldn’t heave safe spaces to shield students from speech they find offensive and hateful.
     
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    I think you meant that many on the Right argued that 'hate speech' should be allowed, and there should be no safe space to shield students. That's correct. Inconsistency and hypocrisy in play.

    ps- To be clear, I'm generally against hate speech and in favor of safe spaces (personally don't think it's a good idea but it has zero impact on me while it may be very helpful to some). However, I'm also generally opposed to forcing people out or severely canceling them (such as firing them or seriously hindering their livelihood). There is way too much hateful outrage in this new social media dominated world.
     
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    At least the folks I’ve talked to, there’s a couple things at play in the reaction to the response.

    1. There has been a well documented decaying of free speech on college campuses (Penn and Harvard are literally the bottom 2 according to FIRE’s database). Taking that as the current standard, it comes across as very hypocritical for it to suddenly be restored in this context. I don’t disagree with the answer being not technically wrong — and hopefully if anything good comes of this, a reset of the boundaries of free speech occurs.

    2. The implications of the overall performance for these individuals as leaders. It seems like Kornbluth is getting a bit of a pass relative to the others, but I think some of that may be due to MIT being styled as more of a technocratic institution versus Harvard and Penn. Both schools pride themselves on fostering the next generation of leaders for the free world — they both embarrassed themselves as leaders. I’ve personally been a step removed from a Congressional oversight hearing (complete with a Katie Porter whiteboard)— it’s not a pleasant experience. However, you also generally know what the objectives of the various officials are, and I don’t think any of the questions posed were surprising. The leadership roles at places like Harvard and Penn are public roles - I don’t see how either of them could be described as “fit to lead” coming out of that hearing, and the content of what they said is only a small piece of it.
     
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    first one down

    that disgusting smirk
     
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    City of Philadelphia is in shambles tonight
     
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    Harden did the right thing
     
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    the DEI hire ****ed up
     
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    He ****ed up by dropping the flags to fake fight. Taking the first hit for his country a small sacrifice for his platform...
     
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    The WH is interpreting First Amendment rights differently...

    Biden administration outlines actions to address antisemitism on college campuses
    The White House on Monday outlined a slew of actions intended to address what it called an “alarming” rise in reported antisemitic incidents at schools and on college campuses in the wake of the Hamas terrorist attack against Israel earlier this month.

    Several departments across the federal government have taken steps to increase engagement and address concerns about an increase in antisemitism, a White House official said.

    The Department of Justice (DOJ) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have worked with state and local law enforcement and reached out to provide support directly to college campuses, the official said.

    The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, which is housed in the DHS, has tasked its 125 protective security advisers and 100 cybersecurity advisers to proactively work with schools to address their needs.

    The Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights has expedited its processing of discrimination complaints under a statute that is intended to specifically prohibit certain forms of antisemitism and Islamophobia.

    That change in the intake process “will make it easier for students and others who experience such discrimination to seek redress for it.”

    The Education Department is also planning to hold several “technical assistance webinars” in the coming months to ensure students facing discrimination on campus have the information they need in order to file a complaint with the Office for Civil Rights.

    The announcements from the DOJ, DHS and Education Department come as several administration officials have individually engaged with Jewish leaders and campus communities. Education Secretary Miguel Cardona and White House domestic policy adviser Neera Tanden are scheduled to hold an on-campus roundtable with Jewish students this week.

    There have been a handful of high-profile incidents on college campuses in the weeks since Hamas’s terrorist attacks in Israel, which killed roughly 1,400 Israelis. Thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, which is controlled by Hamas, have been killed in subsequent airstrikes and shelling carried out by Israeli forces.

    Students last week projected anti-Israeli messages onto buildings at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. Schools including Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania have lost donors and partnerships over statements seen as antisemitic or insufficiently supportive of Israel. Authorities are also investigating threats made against the Jewish community at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.

    White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre on Monday afternoon said the administration is closely tracking the threats at Cornell and elsewhere on college campuses.

    “There’s no place for hate in America, and we condemn any antisemitic threat or incident in the strongest — in the strongest terms,” Jean-Pierre said at a briefing with reporters.​
     
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    They are employees. Some donors stopped donating because of her statements so she had to go. It will always be about the money. This is why I was surprised at their original testimony
     
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