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Can anyone explain if Jabari was right here?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Dec 5, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I genuinely don't know. It looks like Jabari got mad at Alpi for not helping. I do see that Alpi is kind of floating around in space for a while, not guarding anyone, but then he comes in to help, but Bari fails to close the baseline and gets called for the foul, and it is an and-1 because despite the foul, he just got pushed out of the way and AD could easily lay it in.

    How do you judge the situation?
     
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  2. Old School74

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    Jabari needs to learn how to behave in public. That's not his first incident.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    Yeah, I mean, whether the way he voiced his criticism was appropriate is yet another question, my question was mainly about whether he is even correct that what happened is Alpi's fault - or is it possible that he was just frustrated because he couldn't defend AD at all, and allowed the and-1.
     
  4. Roomba

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    I mean..clearly they don’t have a problem with each other, and Jabari and Alpi are both competitive.

    We’ve all yelled at, been yelled at, and gotten mad at our teammates before—and I’ll bet an NBA game is far more intense to play in than AAU, college, or whatever level we ended up at.

    I don’t see it as someone being right or wrong, it’s just basketball
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    See my post above - I am trying to understand the basketball situation - is Jabari right that it's Alpi's fault that AD was able to score and get the and-1? It looks to me like Alpi was trying to stay close enough to the guy behind the 3-point line that he would possibly be able to close out if AD passes it out, and only when he felt certain that AD was attacking the basket, he came to help.

    I don't know enough about basketball to know what the right answer is here - what should Alpi have done better? And perhaps, what should Jabari have done better?

    What if Alpi comes to help earlier, AD kicks it out, the 3-point shooter buries it - is that also Alpi's fault then?
     
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    Yes. Alperen is becoming the leader of the offense and Jabari the leader of the defense. It's Jabari's rodeo on that side of the ball.
     
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  7. Old School74

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    The truth lies somewhere in between. First, they both need to gain 20lbs of muscle this off-season. Jabari, especially, is too thin for being a "defensive specialist." He always gets bullied under the rim. AD is not the only one doing that. Sengun was late coming to help. Also, the whistle instinctually stopped him from challenging AD from behind. At that point, I don't know what he could have achieved anyways
     
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    Looks like Jabari's fault. Sengun comes to help but he gave up baseline. He can't help if you give up the baseline. He needed to turn AD back towards the middle into the trap.

    My guess is he was mad Sengun didn't come sooner.
     
  9. Roomba

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    Edited because the previous posts explained my thoughts better than me :(
     
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    That soft ass role player needs to know his role. Silas is gone bro. Alperen is way better than you.
     
  11. Aruba77

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    this. Bari makes tons of mistakes and I never see anyone freaking out on him like Jabari does. And it always seems to be directed at Al P. I feel like Jabari is just really insecure and does a lot of projecting.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    Also, I don't think AD would easily push Alpi out of the way like this, and get an and-1.

    I don't think Jabari is a good post defender. His perimeter defense is slightly better. To me, he is really more of a 3 than a 4.

    Maybe @DaDakota is on to something.

    If you were to slide Brooks to the 2, Bari to the 3, put in Tari at the 4, with Alpi at the 5 and obviously FVV at the 1 - I think the team could do really well. I would like to see that for extended minutes.
     
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  13. Old School74

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    He didn't just do it to Sengun. Do you remember the incident with Jalen? He did it twice with Sengun, though...and I agree with you about his insecurity and projecting. It ****s up the team chemistry!
     
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    Sounds like the plan was to double team him however alpi was late and AD scored on him
    Thats my guess
     
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    Not that big of a deal but yes bari has a reason to be upset. First bari did hou a favor by doing a cross switch bc going down the floor FVV ended being matched up with AD. So that’s where he took the matchup which is awareness on bari’s part. Sengun doesn’t have any business being at the top of the key guarding DLo. Once bari cross switches it isn’t about taking that matchup one on one at all. Those are lazy takes and many are auto reactions as if AS can do no wrong. That’s not how it works.

    Sengun slowly and pretty lazily comes over with a soft double and clearly way too late. A good defense which they are obviously trying to be and good defensive awareness puts pressure on AD immediately. That’s where the emotion comes from. Nothing wrong with it at all. Again I don’t think this is that big of a deal. Stuff like this happens especially when you’re trying to significantly improve and change the narrative of being a sorry ass team. You learn from things like this. I’m sure they looked at film, talked about what to do next time and moved on from it.

    way too many folks around here look at emotion as a negative. It definitely isn’t. Guys are competing and wanting to win much more now than in prior years. Nobody is just going to smile and laugh at each other all year long. It’s part of the process
     
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    That's what happens when you switch everything. The worst ones are when someone leaves a 3point shooter open, Alpi goes to run him off only for the center to be stuck on Dillon the Villain.
     
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  17. AroundTheWorld

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    Thanks, interesting post.

    If I have a choice between barking because of a desire to win and someone being super happy and indifferent after losses, I'd take the barking for sure. I guess it has to stay respectful though, and not get out of hand.
     
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    Aply isn't doing anything in that scenario.

    He isn't guarding the perimeter nor is he helping on AD. He comes over to help, but doesn't make any effort at all. He seems to know it by the way he sheepishly walks off

    While Jabari may have a point in that Aply didn't help, Jabari also doesn't play much defence on that particular possession... he just yields ground easily and fouls AD.

    So not sure about the whole thing - unless Jabari is upset that they didn't switch before the clip you are showing?? (Ie before AD gets the ball was there a chance to switch?)

    tl;dr - Alpy is wrong. Jabari is also pretty bad.
     
  19. Corrosion

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    If you are going to double on the block, you do it quickly.

    Obviously, Jabari expected help and Sengun was late.
     
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  20. AroundTheWorld

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    Just wondering, what if AD then passes out to the open shooter and he buries the three? How do teams decide what to prioritize? (honest question, I don't know the right answer)
     

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