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Jabari Smith Jr. is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Houston77, Jul 7, 2023.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Eh I don't think people are going to see you as rational when you compare Green to young Jordan lol.

    Just stick to something like "young Booker".

    Much more reasonable expectations.
     
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  2. OnlyRockets

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    Honestly, Booker's athletic game just doesn't stack up to Jalen's. He's got a bunch of weak spots. Plus, Jalen's got that killer one-on-one game down. And that super quick first step he's got? Doubt Booker could pull that off.

    You ask me, Jalen's got more of that early Jordan vibe going on than anything Booker's showing.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Green is a different tier athlete but Booker came into the league with a deeper iso bag.
     
  4. OnlyRockets

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    Agree to disagree bro.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Look at Booker's early highlights. He does a lot more of his scoring from a triple threat position with far more refined jumper game either back to the basket or facing up.

    I wish Green did a lot of his offense from the triple threat position. He often starts his offensive moves with a live dribble. He rarely holds the ball in some high or mid post postion without a dribble trying to just feel his defender. He should try that more


    That is the type of offense that can create a go to bucket for him. Right now he has to really work for his buckets usually navigating through multiple defenders with a live dribble. That is the hardest way to score.
     
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    They are also in a different cycle of their careers!
     
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    So a Jabari thread turns out a Green discussion. I wonder why :rolleyes:
     
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  8. OnlyRockets

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    I will check that thoroughly, thanks.

    You know, this comparison isn't exactly fair since Jalen hasn't had the chance to strut his stuff this season. I bet he's worked on his game extensively but hasn't had the chance to show it. He can do a lot of the same moves as Booker but hasn't really been given the green light. Props to Silas though, for letting Jalen do his thing as much as possible, which helped him show his trueself on the court. Plus, we usually crushed it when Jalen drops 30 points or more last 2 seasons.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    I seriously doubt the previous coaching regime was beneficial to Any of the young guys' development.
     
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  10. Old School74

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    I am sorry for contributing to OnlyRocketsCLOWN show. The way Jabari consistently playing this year, increasing his efficiency and playing hard on the defensive end deserves better from us, the Rocket fans!
     
  11. OnlyRockets

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    Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from but I'm not totally sold on the new approach, especially with how they're dealing with Jalen’s gameplay style. It kinda feels like they're not letting him do his thing with the ball enough... It's weird because he's pretty much the star player, but this season it’s like he's not getting the spotlight he deserves.
     
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    Jabari is a good player and shows improvement better than Green, but in order to become cornerstone, you should affect the game in many ways, he does not have affect of Sengun on Houston.
    Sengun, with his elite passing, basketball iq and courtvision, will probably not only become the cornerstone of Rockets,but NBA in terms of Jokic-Sabonis archetype.

    Sengun dictates Rockets offense, when he plays Rockets look like contender in offense, when he sits, offense becomes a circus.

    My rank
    #1 Sengun
    #2 Jabari
    #3 Others(Green, Eason, Amen etc)
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Is this purely based on just looking at scoring efficiency stats?

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    Jalen Green is simply more important to this team because again, his offense is more closer to an "engine" than Jabari's. Right now after Sengun, Green is the most scouted player. His efficiency is a product of just having to score by going through multiple defenders more often than Jabari due to the nature of his role. But that also generates more open teammates. There is a reason why Jalen is near the top of secondary assists surrounded by starting high usage pgs on the list.


    Jabari has a lot of clear outs that allow simple one on one offense for a nice mid post fadeaway but that isn't an offensive engine type of ability. Jabari has a ftr that is significantly lower than Green's as a 6'11" decent athlete who is relatively shifty for his size. He should be getting to the rim and ft line a lot more also. Green causes havoc on the offensive end in multiple ways that Jabari doesn't.

    And defensively Green has made a large enough leap on defense where he's competent now so he's a net positive on a team with a positive pt differential for the season(.500 and above team)
     
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    Nothing to do about how similar their games are I'm talking about their roles on the team as being the 3rd most important player on a team.

    People tend to think the 3rd guy is a scorer but the 3rd guy could be a defender first that only scores when its there for him. That's what Jabari is right now today. He's there to defend and stretch the floor and take advantage on mismatches when it happens.
     
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    I think your description of roles are irrelevant to the actual game; as in “nth most important player” is not a role on the court. Draymond was not 3rd most important player on that team however you look at it in my opinion. It also never occurred to me that people necessarily think 3rd guy is a scorer.

    For the sake of argument I will say that it is way too early to force fit Jabari to any stereotype or ranking. I expect him to be more than a stereotype player.

    Edit: I always forget they also had Durant at some point. If you refer to that time frame, then I agree to Draymond being 3rd
     
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    I'd care not much on if he's stronger or not. He can play SF and that's a good thing. His jump shots are good enough. He just needs to be consistent. What I care most is if he can play defense better. His length and speed for his size is absurd. He can guard positions 1-5 if needed. He can be a lockdown defender. I think he should focus here more. In my opinion, this is his way to stardom.
     
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    Interesting. I’ve been underwhelmed with his lateral speed.
     
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    The nature of his role? Or the nature of his play style? Because Jalen doesn’t HAVE to try to take guys off the dribble every time and he CAN play off ball. Jabari’s style is less on ball, and therefore should be more efficient. All he has to do is catch and shoot, or post and fade. At least for the first two seasons that’s all he’s displayed as his style.

    im not confident he’s a net positive on defense, green that is. He’s surely significantly better than previous 2 years. I’m also not super impressed w Jabari’s defense considering that’s what he was sold on. End of the day they’re still young and flaws can be corrected.
     
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    I think the Rockets see things as such;

    1) Thompson
    2) Green/Jabari
    3) Sengun
    4) Tari

    I can see Thompson as the facilitator, playmaker, Jabari as the low post option, i.e, LaMarcus Algridge and Green as the primary scorer. They have options. These guys know
     
  20. verysimplejason

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    For his size, he's fast. He also got a lot of length to his favor.
     

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