1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Deshaun Trade Packages Part 2

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Shark44, Nov 6, 2021.

?

Which trade partner/package do you like best?

  1. MIA: 2022 SF 1st Rd (#12), 2022 2nd Rd (#35), 2023 MIA/SF 1st Rd + 2 Players

    4 vote(s)
    4.4%
  2. CAR: 2022 1st Rd (#15), 2023 1st Rd, 2024 1st Rd, + 3 Players

    23 vote(s)
    25.6%
  3. PHI: 3x 2022 1st Rd (#3 MIA, #10 PHI, #11 IND), 2022 2nd Rd (#42), + 2 Players

    51 vote(s)
    56.7%
  4. WFT: 2022 1st Rd (#7), 2023 1st Rd, 2024 1st Rd, 2022 2nd Rd (#39), + 2 Players

    10 vote(s)
    11.1%
  5. NYG: 2022 1st Rd (#9), 2023 1st Rd, 2024 1st Rd, 2022 2nd Rd (#37), + 2 Players

    7 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. ATL: 2022 1st Rd (#13), 2023 1st Rd, 2024 1st Rd, 2x 2022 2nd Rd (#45 ATL/#56TEN), + 1 player

    8 vote(s)
    8.9%
  7. DEN: 2022 1st Rd (#16), 2023 1st Rd, 2024 1st Rd, 2x 2022 2nd Rd (#48 DEN/#64 LAR), + 1 Player

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  8. NO: 2022 1st Rd (#23), 2023 1st Rd, 2024 1st Rd, 2022 2nd Rd (#55), + 2 Players

    4 vote(s)
    4.4%
  9. Other: Team like Lions, Steelers, Raiders, etc. become viable and can put together a pkg.

    6 vote(s)
    6.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. ExTexanNowEastCoast

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2021
    Messages:
    497
    Likes Received:
    561
    And your point is? Seems you are agreeing with me. Look, it is an unfortunate situation but it is a characteristic of our constitutional republic that a person is innocent until proven guilty. In our system, we believe that it is better that a 100 guilty men go free than one man innocent man be imprisoned. Ultimately, no one knows what happened during these massage sessions other than Watson and the masseuse. However, I think we can surmise three possibilities:

    - They are telling the truth and Watson is lying

    - Watson is telling the truth, and the accusers are lying

    - Both are lying and telling the truth

    You are probably wondering how is it possible that both could be telling the truth and lying. Simple, and it goes back to my original point: when you are dealing with sexual assault or rape cases, the key issue is consent. So, a person may have consented to a massage but not an intimate one, or a person could have agreed to an intimate massage, but not to a sexual act, or the person could have consented to all of it, but then changed their mind. Question becomes when that happened. It is open to interpretation and is highly subjective. You would also need to know the actual state law, since sexual assault is not a federal offense. I do not practice in Texas so cannot comment on it. In some states, once a person gives consent they cannot take it back once it begins, while some states say that a person can take back consent after the act! (Yes it is as stupid as it sounds).

    I think to many on this board this is not really about these accusations, but they fact that Watson said he wanted out before all this stuff was publicized, and effectively got what he wanted. Hey, it has and always will be the case that those with gifts or talents in demand and who excel at their fields will get special treatment. That is just life. I would move on and get over it. Root for the Texans, they got 5 draft picks, and have two in the top 15. Casserio will need to earn his paycheck.
     
  2. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    19,809
    Likes Received:
    25,724
    Fact:. For every 1,000 rapes 995 perpetrators go unpunished.

    https://legaljobs.io/blog/sexual-assault-statistics/
     
    #2102 deb4rockets, Mar 19, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2022
  3. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    7,497
    Those team do not want a player that doesn't want to be there. The Browns put that money on the table. It was over then. Watson would have told the other team match that offer or I won't waive my NTC. The NTC made it Free Agency. Caserio was handcuffed.
    What you don't understand, the Re-work by the Browns didn't appear til Friday. They were out, until they were in again. Caserio was not involved once the teams were approved.

    The Browns offer came out of left field. The Falcons were preparing to trade Ryan, as they though they were the pick.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  4. gucci888

    gucci888 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,085
    Likes Received:
    6,346
    Free Agency allows him to openly negotiate with any willing team, the NTC does not.
    The Browns were only a candidate because Caserio allowed them to be. It does not sound like Watson had a list of teams he would only consider. Rather Caserio gave him the list of teams that met his minimum despite those offers not being equal reportedly.

    IF the 3 NFC teams presented the best offers, those should have been Watson’s list to choose from. If none of those teams acquiesced to his terms, it’s on DW4 to name who he’ll go to. Does he name the Browns? I don’t see why he would without knowing they’d give in, something that he could only *officially* know if given the opportunity.

    I’ve stated from the start that Caserio took his minimum and walked off which you have agreed with. If you’re cool with that, that’s fine. Personally I’m not.
     
    conquistador#11 likes this.
  5. zeeshan2

    zeeshan2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2013
    Messages:
    48,622
    Likes Received:
    52,128
  6. Fulgore

    Fulgore Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    16,244
    Likes Received:
    14,923
    Lmao
     
    conquistador#11 likes this.
  7. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    7,497
    You are missing the point. Browns did something the other teams didn't do. NO ONE in the NFL thought anyone was going to re-work that contract at this stage and give him an insane amount of guaranteed money. Even Watson dismissed the Browns....until they gave him that money. There was a reason the Falcons were confident. Casserio allowed teams that were willing to give at least 3 - 1st to talk with Watson. There were 4 teams, ideal for a bidding war. Casserio was working, as was everyone else, that everything being equal...Watson would chose based on fit. No one was talking new money among the 3 NFC South teams. The Browns did the ONLY thing that got the back in the game...

    Caserio was not going to stop the Browns from talking to Watson...why would he? The contract re-work didn't pop-up til Thursday night after they heard Carolina wouldn't re-do the contract. Watson meet with the Browns on Tuesday.
     
    conquistador#11 likes this.
  8. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    36,134
    Likes Received:
    22,651
    [​IMG]
     
  9. gucci888

    gucci888 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,085
    Likes Received:
    6,346
    If the Browns wanted to talk to DW4, Caserio should have asked for more from them since other team “reportedly” offered more already. They are in the same conference and didn’t have a Top 10 pick to offer like the two of the NFC teams. The Browns’ price of admission wasn’t and shouldn’t have been the same.

    Not sure what there is to argue. Caserio got his 3 1’s and walked away, you have said so yourself. Good for you if you are more okay with that.
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    86,004
    Likes Received:
    84,429
    Shouldn't this have been the end of the thread many hours ago instead of 40 people talking around in circles?

    see, also: Carlos Correa

    Done is Done.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  11. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    7,497
    I saw the Texans get at least another 1st When someone gets DESPERATE and reach for Malik Willis. Steelers, Panthers, Saints, Seattle?

    If Davis Mills becomes a top 10-15 QB within 2 years, Caserio will look like a GENIUS.
     
  12. K-Low_4_Prez

    K-Low_4_Prez Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    7,453
    Likes Received:
    1,340

    Sometimes you’re just right
     
  13. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    12,248
    Likes Received:
    7,497
    So much Delusional thinking in the thread. The Texan's return was VERY GOOD in-hindsight. They still have a 1st and a 4th from this trade. It allowed Caserio to very active in the last 2 drafts with trades also. You were never going to get Hershel Walker-type return. However, it was a good enough haul that you got Will Anderson, Tank Dell, Pierce, and other pieces that are helping the turn-around.
     
    primtim24 likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now