Vibe Shift: Democrats, Israel, and the 2024 election

Vote the antisemitic ladies out. Then the schism is replaced by synergy.

 

If the choice is between Biden and Trump, they too will vote for Biden. But many simply won't vote.

 

This seems almost as compelling as #WalkAway.

 

I highly doubt that pro Palestinian voters will cost Biden the election. I don’t think they will support Trump.

I also don’t think Jewish voters will switch en mass to Republicans either given that Biden is both supporting Israel and that the modern GOP has its own issues with anti-semitism.

 

Not really. The turnout has been up lately, but isn't especially large.

However, they are probably more fired up about the right to abortion being stripped away from them than many of these foreign policy issues.

 

Right because it was Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar leading the chant “Jews Will not Replace us at Charlottesville and calling the leaders of Hezbollah smart during a campaign rally.

It could but I doubt it. It’s rare that foreign policy plays a big enough role to tip an election.

 

With due respect to your daughters college I bet that if the students were polled they would probably find abortion is a bigger issue. There is a lot of passion regarding Israel right now but that doesn’t mean it’s the biggest issues. Protests over abortion bans were both large but also sustained and translated to election victories. Support for or against Israel has been an issue in the US bit off the top of my head I can’t think of it winning or costing an election.

 

That said I’m not surprised though that some are looking to capitalize on this situation for US partisan gain.

 

Biden stance on Israel and palestine is not gonna be a deal breaker for most democratic voters. There's is no prominent democratic challenger and the Republicans alternatives are laughable. I honestly don't see democratic voters being disillusioned with biden about this conflict. The young voters might be triggered by him not being able to provide student loan relief more than anything and just not vote.

U can't make every democratic voter happy but most Americans could care less about a foreign country that most couldn't point on our map. There would be an initial reaction to the event and we would just move on

 

Well, that may be the case for her particular campus at this time. In the end of the year 2024, we will see.

 

I wish @basso would #walkaway from this sub-forum. Guess his mother never taught him not to answer a question with 3 more questions...

 

It might and we’ll see what things are like October 2024. I doubt it will make a change as we’ve had other periods of large protests over foreign policy including over Israel as this isn’t the first time Israel has bombed Gaza and they made little difference in US politics.

 

We'll see which has more staying power, at that college. I work with three different colleges and my observations don't exactly match what you've observed at your daughter's campus.

There is certainly a heightened interest and awareness of events between Israel and Hamas. I would be hard pressed to say it outweighs the abortion issue.

But even if it did, it isn't like the two sides have such distinct positions.

Republican party rife with anti-semitism and their officials defend and support that. They are against aid to Israel, are aligned with Islamic Fundamentalists regarding LGBTQ issues and support Putin and Russia with their own rampant anti-semitism.

Democrats under Biden support Israel and have taken action in accordance with their words of support. They are firmly against Putin and his anti-semitism. But they also are more likely to take a humanitarian approach to the plight of the Palestinians and seek to address the injustices Palestinians have faced.

Neither party has a lock on one side of the issue while the other takes a lock on the opposing side.

 

Also to point out there were massive protest against South Africa on College campuses in the 80’s and 90’s and it was felt that Reagan and GH Bush were not doing enough to end Apartheid or even supporting it. That didn’t stop Reagan from winning re-election or GH Bush.

I certainly don’t think opposition to Apartheid contributed to Clinton’s victory.

 

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