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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. Nook

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    It almost feels like we are just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

    People can say what they want about Joe Biden, and Lord knows he has mileage on him and he isn't the best at everything.

    However - credit to him for one, getting actively involved and actually going to the Middle East and thus far he appears to have done a good job keeping any of these different interests from lashing out.

    It could all fall apart in 15 minutes - I don't know, but he has so far engaged the Israeli's and also has not alienated Hamas and has kept Abbas relatively quiet in the WestBank - and while Iran has made several comments, they have largely not gone any deeper.
     
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    He's navigated this pretty well so far, and seems to have been a factor is slowing more regional instability - at least for now.
     
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    Cool. Can you tell me the purpose behind issuing warnings to evacuate hospitals and schools?

    This is not the first attack israel has launched against civilians and it won't be the last. They claimed full responsibility shortly after the attack and backpedalled and blamed it on Hamas once they see the reaction of the world.

    Why did Israel post this tweet shortly before the hospital attack and deleted once they see the reaction from the world?

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    Zionists (Not jews) have no respect for human value. In their view rest of the world are their slaves.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm pretty sure Hamas was already alienated from Biden well before all of this started. I also doubt that there is anythng Biden can say that has any influence on Hamas.

    As for Abbas he appears largely irrelevant. It doesn't seem like even most Palestinians care about what he says.

    I don't think Biden is doing a bad job in this crisis. I don't think he is doing a great job as that Arab leaders are canceling meeting with him is troubling. I'm not sure what more he can do though. I think he does personally want to support Israel as much as he can but politically it would be very damaging for him to not to. I don't think he can restrain Israel from going into Gaza and Hamas would never accept him as a negotiator to try to free the hostages. At this point all I think he is doing and can do is to try to contain this from spilling into a much wider conflict.
     
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  5. maypk

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    If you stop watching CNN, you might actually have an idea what's really going on in the world. Biden visiting israel and still showing full support to israel after the terror attack they've launched has gained nothing but more troubles for the US in the ME.
     
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    What if the payload is an air burst type?

    "JDAM can carry an air burst type. There are two types of air burst fuzes that can be used with the JDAM: the Mk 84 FUZE, FMU-152 and the Mk 83 FUZE, FMU-157. These fuzes are programmed to detonate the JDAM at a specific height above the ground."

    Consider the chronology:
    Oct 12: IDF gave an ultimatum to evacuate
    Oct 14: The hospital was fired at with small rockets as a warning (IDF called the hospital Director)
    Oct 17: Something hits the fan

    Not a military man, but my assumptions:
    -The hit was very precise for an errant debris of a malfunction
    -JDAM is a precision-guided munition that can carry the above payload (anti-personnel so maximized casualties and not much structure damage)
    -Air bust type will create a very minimal crater, depending on the height of detonation and weight of the load.
    -There are many Gazans who cannot flee to the South and instead take refuge in the hospital
    -Obviously, not being patients, they can't be inside the hospital, Hence: the parking lot!
    -The video showing evidence? It's the aircraft climbing up after dropping the payload. It is standard for them to fire flares after a drop to avoid AA from the ground. You'll see the explosion on the ground seconds later.

    Again, not a military man so for sure I am wrong.
     
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    "not alienated Hamas"? wtf
     
  8. astros123

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    I'm so embarrassed lol
     
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    Polling for Israel is literally at an all time high in America lol
     
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    The fact that you are shows you are not brainwashed like @maypk and some others.
     
  11. Nook

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    I am under no illusion that Biden has any real control over Hamas, but thus far they have not directly challenged the USA - which is a bit of a surprise honestly.

    He is stable - and while there have been some protests in WB, and increased violence directed towards the Palestinians present there - so far there has not been a civil war, which I felt was certainly possible.

    Agree that all he can do is prevent this from spilling into a wider conflict, but I think that is probably the real largest concern.

    Having Arab leaders cancelling meetings on him isn't surprising, it is a cultural thing in the Middle East. Here it isn't a positive thing, but in Arab culture it is considered a real slap in the face and can be sold as a way to take heat off of Middle Eastern leaders that have citizens that in some cases are very upset.

    This entire mess isn't the result of any single country - but it again highlights that the USA and other world powers need to be very careful before making decisions that will have long term consequences. The level of ignorance by the USA and England on Middle Eastern culture is really amazing. This also extends beyond the 1940's as even after 9-11, the US had unacceptable knowledge of the culture of that region of the world - and I suspect we are seeing that in US relations with CCP as well.
     
  12. Nook

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    I don't watch CNN.
     
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    Did you even read my post or you are just another victim of american education system and think there's only 1 country in the middle east?
     
  14. Nook

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    He hasn't - they have not declared war on the USA and thus far have limited most of their ire for Israel. Which is amazing considering the comments made by the President stating that they support and stand behind Israel.

    The desire to not want to alienate Hamas has nothing to do with agreeing with Hamas - it has everything to do with attempting to keep this from becoming a much larger war. Hamas and Hezbollah both are capable of causing havoc outside of Israel and Palestine, and that could result in a larger war - they are not rational actors.
     
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    Brainwashed, lmfao. Go to your room, watch DW and masturbate clown.
     
  16. Nook

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    If you really feel this way - then do not waste our time posting "what if" scenarios.
     
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    Great persuasive techniques employed: insulting people you hope to convince of anything. (golf clap)
     
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    If you don't want to be insulted;

    a) refrain yourself from posting dumb **** if you're below 80 iq.
    b) refrain yourself from posting dumb **** on the topics you have no idea about.
     
  20. Amiga

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    I think he has done a good job. He has shown full support in public, while in private, doing all he can to prevent this spiraling out of control.

    As for Arab leaders canceling meetings with him, that's directly related to the hospital incident yesterday. The direct beneficiaries from that are Iran, Hamas, and others who do not want a united Arab front with the US and Israel against Hamas. My intuition yesterday told me there was a strong incentive to create that incident.
     
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