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Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Oct 6, 2023.

  1. Amiga

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    I believe the Geneva Convention mandates a proportional military response and the provision of food and medical supplies to the population. Israel may be violating both principles with its total 'siege' of Gaza, which includes cutting off food, water, and electricity, and its strong response. However, no one is enforcing these rules, so they can act with relative impunity. It's only through political backlash and the potential withholding of aid and funds that they might be dissuaded from going too far. This round of conflict likely will reach levels we haven't seen before.


    Not sure if these are the one that cover them:
    https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949?activeTab=undefined
    https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule14
    Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited
     
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  2. DatRocketFan

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    It ain't self defense anymore. It's border lining war crimes now.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    They shall do what is required to eliminate the threat.
     
  4. Amiga

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    I understand and agree with that, although I feel sorrow for what lies ahead for the innocent people.
     
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  5. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Israel used to care what you think, look what happened to them starting this past Saturday. Israel is going to do what Israel needed to do which is vaporizing Hamas with or without your approval.
     
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  6. AroundTheWorld

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    I do, too. It's a horrible situation all-around.
     
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  7. B-Bob

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    We will never know. I brought up that possibility a couple of days ago (in this thread?) but incompetence also makes a logical explanation for the security lapses.
     
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    My first thought was that Netanyahu and his far right government allowed this to happen as a way to consolidate power.
     
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  9. DatRocketFan

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    Israel doesn't need any of our approval but watching pro israel folks trying to use morality and righteousness or "self-defense" as justification to commit war crimes and massacre innocent Palestines is just hypocritical.
     
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    I agree and hammas should be wiped out. We can’t for example starve all of Tijuana etc if cartel members commit terrorist attacks though.

    the babies in the NICU, old and sick in the ICU can’t survive if you cut off food, water, electricity. Almost all of them didn’t do anything wrong
     
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    So is it just as hypocritical for Hamas and Palestinians that are sending rockets into Israel all of the time (and have been for years) is also "self defense"? Trying to understand your logic here.
     
  13. DatRocketFan

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    First off I do not group palestines and hamas as one. Not everybody that's from palestine supports hamas commiting war crimes

    I never said what Hamas is doing is right. They are a political and militant party that committed war crimes or acts of terror upon Israel to send a message. They should be condemned and taken care off to prevent incidence like this from occurring. Full stop.

    How Israel chooses to take care of hamas is wrong.
    Israel in their quest to prevent an event like this from occurring is commiting full on war crimes to "take care off hamas" which isnt happening. Innocent palestines are dying and we have pro Israel folks attempting to justify this mass killing with morality, righteousness and "self-defense".

    Bombing gaza indiscriminately without any actual Intel is wrong and is considered a war crime by many bc Israel is intentionally killing palestine civilians.

    Denying water, food, electricity during a siege is considered a war crime.

    Folks need to take note that 2 wrongs don't make it right. Cause Israel is not in the right by commiting these act of violence upon all of the innocent folks in Gaza.

    That's my stance. Israel will end up the victor of this conflict as always doesn't mean I agree with Israel stance on how it interacts with hamas and palestine which involves killing innocent Palestines in greater number.

    Oh and hamas using palestines and hostages as human shields is also cowardly and wrong.
     
  14. ChrisBosh

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    There are 2.5 million people living in Gaza. Hamas would make up of 10,000 to be generous. I think everyone should support a full incursion of Gaza through military army going door to door and bringing the group to justice in whatever manner that takes.

    The dropping of bombs and turning off the electricity and food into the location is barbaric though. The Gazans are already in jail. Amazing how the human race is so quick to forget past atrocities and somehow convince themselves that new ones are needed since the situation is somehow different. I guess if it's not your neighborhood people are quick to say kill them all. Not surprising, but just sad that humanity has not really moved forward. Rather in my books moving backwards.

    Hamas has no planes tanks or guided missiles. These guys are terrorists on truck and bikes. Attack them and bring them to justice in a humane way. Any other way just makes you the same as the bad guys.
     
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    Racism, politics and religion still exist. It creates conflict and sometimes overrides people's moral compass and compassion for others hence why humanity isn't moving forward.

    It's quite funny u have atw bemoaning how dangerous the world is and how its all you can do as a parent is try to raise your children in a safe and happy environment and hope you can keep them as far away as possible and then outright wants Israel to level Gaza to the ground. How about the palestine adults trying to keep their kids in a safe and happy environment? Nah fk them, it's self defense.

    It's just sad situation all around to b honest.
     
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  16. astros123

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    Perfectly said. The people of Gaza did not choose Hamas. Hamas won with a smaller percentage than trump got in 2020. Its not fair to group all Palestinians with hamas.

    Eliminate Hamas but punishing all Gazans for something a minority voted for is insanity
     
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    Unfortunately, ending the Nazi regime (and the Japanese terror regime) was not possible without civilian suffering on the side of the defeated parties.
     
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    I can see that but blaming hamas for israel decisions ain't it.

    Truman and the Us didn't blame Japan for nuking it, or at least Truman didn't. He took responsibility for it since hes the leader, makes me respect him for that even if he did end the lives of many Japaneses. I don't believe anyone trying to claim moral high ground for dropping nukes on top of innocent Japanese people.

    Pro Israel folks just can't seem to acknowledge what israel is doing to the innocent folks in Gaza right now is quite inhumane and doesn't make them any better than hamas.
     
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