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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. dobro1229

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    When you have nothing of substance you become the grammar police to deflect. I’m sure you have an expensive Ivy League educated brain that your daddy paid for and never make grammatical errors on your iPhone do you?
     
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  2. Ubiquitin

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    The attack is neither Biden’s nor Trump’s fault. It’s not even Israeli security’s fault. It’s Hamas who did it. It only takes a few dozen motivated people to sow chaos.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    As you can see with Muslims celebrating these murders around the world, this goes far beyond "a few dozen motivated people".

    There are funders, supporters, enablers, ideological allies.
     
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    I get that you have an intense dislike for all things Islamic and an intense affinity for all things Israeli, but Hamas specifically carried this out. Hamas and Israel have been at war this whole time. All it takes is one Hamas terrorist to sow terrorism. Hamas knows their terrorism leads to a reflexive response against the Palestinians as a whole which legitimizes terrorists like Hamas and the rest in the eyes of the Palestinians.

    It’s not like Egypt or Turkey is marching to reclaim their previous holdings. Or even Saudi Arabia is marching to restore the caliphate.
     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    But it wasn't just "one Hamas terrorist". They received funding and support from Iran, Qatar, Turkey. And Muslims around the world are celebrating the murders. You are just ignoring facts.
     
  6. tallanvor

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    name the Islamic countries in the middle east denouncing this?

    when HAMAS killed people they then took the body back to Gaza so the citizens of Gaza can come out and mutilate the corpse. claiming its 'just HAMAS' is an incredible lie. majority of Palestinians are this barbaric. Thus all the celebrating across the world
     
  7. Ubiquitin

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    UAE has condemned it. So has Morocco.

    Collective blame is easy, but it’s also misguided. Palestinians have to figure out a way to protect themselves against Israeli occupation (especially in the West Bank) without empowering terrorists.
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    It takes one individual to commit terrorism. This act was almost certainly developed and or at least approved by a nationstate like Iran or even Russia. But Hamas as an organization perpetrated it and deserves retribution for it, not Palestinians as a whole.
     
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  9. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    time to ban religion.
     
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  10. El_Conquistador

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    This year I have spent a good amount of time with an Israeli national who is a Christian. His viewpoint on Muslims in the Middle East is that they have been gifted oil and natural resources, but they don't really create anything valuable.... they only consume and destroy. It's a harsh viewpoint, but I'm sure he has his logic.

    America has obviously made two massive errors in foreign policy by leaving billions worth of military equipment in the 'Ghan... and also giving Iran billions of dollars. Both are being used against Israel now. Opportunists around the world have one more year of Biden's presidency to take advantage of his weakness and fragility. I expect things to get worse, sadly. Especially if China decides that now is the time to move on Taiwan, while America is distracted with funding the Ukraine war.
     
  11. Ubiquitin

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    I would rephrase it to Arabs given the Turks and Iranians have meaningful industrial output and are Muslim majority nations.

    Erdogan has been courting Islamists despite modern Turkeys anti religious constitution. Iran is openly a theocratic state.

    But Iraq, Syria, Jordan, UAE, Oman, Yemen etc.? They have no resources or meaningful economic output besides oil. How they worship wouldn’t change that it’s an arid climate. Their governments especially the Saudis are loaded with dollars from oil sales and they all are more than happy to spend them on arms and efforts to modernize their economies. Palestine would not be able to achieve any of that however, even if they achieved peace and harmony with the Israelis and neighboring Arab states. They’d be reliant on tourism and hummus.

    The haphazard Afghanistan withdraw or the release of money to Qatar for Iran did not precipitate this terror act nor would continued occupation of Afghanistan or continued freezing of the Iran money have prevented this.
     
  12. glynch

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    Good balanced interview on CNN
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    His viewpoint is more based on tribalism.

    The Middle East being gifted with oil was probably the worst thing for the normal people of that region there as it became a battleground for resoidcws and America discovering that those places need some freedom.

    The Middle East experienced colonialism that western European nations and Israel never experienced. When you remove agency of the common folks of a land progress does stifle and old antiquated values remain.
     
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    Since 2015, the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. Over the same period, it has passed 68 resolutions against all other countries, UN Watch said.Jan 3, 2023 (Time of Israel)


    don't fall for that deformed creature's typical sympathy begging acts, every Palstainean have equal rights ,if they suffer,Israelis must suffer too
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    yet none of those oil rich countries will let the Palestinian people move there.

    DD
     
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  16. Ubiquitin

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    Because they’re all welfare states. They don’t let anyone immigrate and become citizens. Gazans are officially locked behind the wall with only one checkpoint to leave. And for the people who are there, they don’t want to leave.
     
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    This is a very good point. They all have plenty of space. They are using the Palestinians as political pawns. They could help end their suffering immediately. But they don't want to.
     
  18. astros123

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    It's just sooooo fascinating how none of you literally have any ability to think for yourself. Can you MAGAT not think for yourself AT ALL. Like at all

    Literally half of the airforce and military generals have been on protest because of bibi judical reforms and you utter MAGAts have the audacity to blame biden when not a single penny of the 6 billion has been transferred

    It's impossible to have a educated debate with MAGAts and i have no idea why anyone bothers. They just repeat whatever they hear on social media in masses like a ****ing cult.

     
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  19. astros123

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    Iran is literally deploying man power and resources to the Afghan border bcz their afraid of a taliban invasion and somehow these MAGAts think if afghanistan was somehow under american control iran would have less resources to give to hamas when the opposite would be true.

    These MAGA are so damn dumb. They're unable to critically think for themselves at all. They just repeat whatever they hear on foxnews and spread it like a gospel.

    Half the country is dumb a fk and it's a sick disease. MAGAt turds
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    The entire conservative base in America thinks Shia Iranians and Isis are teaming up around the world. They don't understand basic massive disputes within Islam.
     
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