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[ClutchFans] Heavy investment in Kevin Porter Jr raises serious questions about Rockets front office

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Sep 20, 2023.

  1. DreamShook

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    I apologize for hating Silas as much as I do. who knows what he could have cooked up if he wasn't shackled by Stone and KPJ. Stone was clearly driving the bus and we didn't get to see Silas' true vison if he wasn't mandated to keep KPJ at PG.

    But to let Stone drive your career off a cliff is inexcusable. Silas really should have maned up and said he wasn't going to do what ever the hell we were watching for 3 years.

    bro. when Silas started crying when KPJ got that extension that was not joy, that man might have been in anguish, lmao!

     
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  2. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Poor Silas. He was probably like the dad in this film

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  3. mfastx

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    It's really damning and puzzling when you lay it all out like this. I really like the young talent we have and I think we made a great HC hire, but the KPJ stuff and other developmental choices over the last few years makes Stone seem really incompetent if some of his stuff was his choice.
     
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  4. a time to chill

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    I reversed image searched this pic and read the wikipedia plot page. I seriously regret doing that now.
     
  5. apollo33

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    kinda all makes sense now that no one (including media, former players, current players) has anything good to say about the Rockets organization in the past 3 years. Every time we are brought up, it's about how dysfunctional we are and how bad of a culture we have.

    I wonder how long they were going to continue holding onto KPJ if this didn't happen
     
  6. No Worries

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    A more competent HC and GM gets you lower draft choices ... which gets you lower quality talent to develop ... which makes hiring a premium HC a much harder sell ... which makes your team a much harder FA sell.

    I do not think that either Silas or Stone can be judged by the "tank" years. The moves that Stone has made since ending the tank:
    • hiring Udoka
    • drafting Amen and Cam
    • signing FA FVV and Brooks
    • setting KPJ free
    are looking really solid as of right now.
     
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  7. count_dough-ku

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    That's the scary part. What if KPJ hadn't been arrested for assault? Would he have gotten a lot of playing time this year? Would Amen Thompson and Cam Whitmore have barely seen the court because he was the backup PG and SG? Would Fertitta and Stone have picked up the 2nd year on that extension?
     
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  8. Easy

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    I don't buy the "Almighty Tanking forgives everything" pitch. It's not hard to lose intentionally. There are multiple ways to it. Trashing the team, trashing the organization, harboring obvious rotten eggs, etc. is not a good way to tank.
     
  9. Nook

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    Yeah - I think Silas is a good dude, but he lacks the backbone to be a leader or head coach.

    As for Silas crying about KPJ - I'll say this, Paul Silas and his wife Carolyn are amazing people, did an amazing job raising their family and they were by all accounts very loving and very healthy well adjusted people that had a picture perfect marriage and they were incredibly supportive of their children and taught them wrong from right........... I don't think Silas was ever prepared for someone like KPJ........ Lucas was, and maybe Stone and Silas should have listened to the guy that didn't grow up in the suburbs and could tell the difference between a corn pipe and a crack pipe.

    Silas should be a guidance counselor at some really high end high school in the Northeast or maybe coach high school women's basketball at a Catholic D-2 college in Nebraska.
     
  10. Nook

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    You can lose games without catering to a mad man.

    This argument makes no sense - Stone supported and built up a toxic culture around his young players.

    As for Silas, I don't really have an issue other than his lack of backbone has been exposed and he won't ever get a chance to be a HC again in the NBA.
     
  11. kubli9

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    Agreed. People talk about tanking like it's some master skill only good GMs can pull off but any random off the street could oversee a tank job.
     
  12. apollo33

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    LMAO that's way too harsh. By all accounts Silas was a very good X&O guy as an assistant coach on some good teams.

    Not sure what happened with the Rockets, we looked like headless chickens
     
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  13. ThatBoyNick

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    The widely proclaimed nicest guy in the league who waited 20 years to get an opportunity gets ****ed by a historically bad FO and ownership group.

    Sad he took the job, sad he didn't quit.
     
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    You could direct that movie from Silass' perspective, just would not be sure about box office.
     
  15. ThatBoyNick

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    That's fine
     
  16. Nook

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    He was the X's and O's guy under...... Carlisle, who designed the offense and stepped in and tweaked it as needed. When Silas and the Mavericks defensive guru both were interviewing for head coach jobs - Carlisle praised the defensive coach as a future head coach.

    Having said that, I am not even saying Silas is a bad assistant coach - I don't think he is, but I don't think he has the back bone to be a head coach.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    A head coach being competent in x's and o's is really irrelevant to their success also. There is an entire coaching staff for that.

    Head coaching talent is the talent to command a presence around a group of 19-25 year old males who have for their entire lives been treated as the "alpha" and need a dose of reality in the NBA. That's why people like Ime are highly sought after as head coaches. They have that presence where everyone in the roster instantly falls in line.

    Silas could have had many good ideas he wanted implemented but due to his demeanor he probably couldn't implement it and have the players buy in. He also is the type of person who probably walks on eggshells to avoid confrontation. So he isn't the type of coach to "confront" KPJ head on.
     
  18. mfastx

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    You can be competent and still tank, look no further than the Spurs. They had less talent than us and they still sat their healthy best players all the time in order to tank.

    I agree that I like all those moves (save for signing Brooks, we weren't bidding against anyone and I would have rather maxed out Reeves).

    But it may be wishful thinking that the front office will suddenly improve now that we're trying to win.
     
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  19. No Worries

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    We will see.

    I will not be surprised that if the Rockets win 30 something games this season most fans will look back at this offseason as well executed by the GM and FO.

    Again, we will see.
     
  20. YOLO

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    As bad as it sounds if they win 30 games, it's an improvement. And tbh if they don't even reach 30 wins, after spending $60 mil in cap space, udoka, and expected improvements from the young core, then there's massively bigger issues at hand
     
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